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coogles wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:14 pm
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The neck pain (started from hockey) is almost a non-issue at this point if I do enough stretching.

The shoulder tension causing ulnar nerve issues seems to persist no matter what I do. Any ride over an hour triggers lingering numbness for several days. It doesn't matter if it's at 10 mph with the handlebars all the way up or 20 mph with them all the way down.

The 3rd doctor, after charging $400 for a 5 minute conversion, said to try physical therapy 3x/week for ~6 weeks. I'm reluctant to go do that so far since it's basically going to the gym and touching people - while in our area we are presently seeing the worst COVID numbers yet with no signs of a slowdown.
It sounds to me like you have nerve impingement in your neck causing pain to radiate out into your arms. Leaning forward on a bike probably produces a shearing force on a disc or two somewhere just from the weight of your head, which impacts the nerves and is causing the pain you're experiencing. I would wager the #1 thing that would help you is having a stronger neck. It's good for everyone, but I might try investing in an Iron Neck (https://www.iron-neck.com/pages/iron-ne ... bilitation) and seeing what that does for you.
It could be that too if it's not as simple as a ton of tightness/stress in the upper traps. Hard to say without getting a general doctor to refer me to the right specialist to take the right images and finally diagnose it properly. That's a :neat: contraption :doe: that I've not seen. On first inspection it does seem similar to at least some of the exercises I've been doing but I've admittedly not been super religious about those exercises.

I kind of wonder if I just need a good massage or something to get back to a neutral starting point. My upper body hasn't been loose in so long that I don't even remember how that feels.
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D Griff wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:39 pm
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Yeah my sister-in-law is a PT and has been giving me stuff to try. That's pretty much "fixed" the old hockey neck problem (which hurts like hell but is really just a simple muscle cramp) but it seems like a real physical exam might be needed to figure out the nerve shit. I'm sure it doesn't help that I'm already one of the highest stress people on the planet. :ohwell:
:notwrong: This is hard to manage though. One of the biggest issues I had for years as a driver with autox and track days was that I was always nervous as hell, death gripping the wheel and jerky in controls because I was just freaking out a bit constantly... not sure what the best way to combat this is. You could try out CBD gummies or something but IMO they are kind of a waste.
It's a negative feedback thing too. I get stressed because I hurt and I hurt because I'm stressed... and I don't sleep well so I hurt and stress more, plus I hate this fucking place, etc.

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That being said, I can sort of "manage" it via alcohol. A few oz of booze before I head out and I can stay loose on the bike without much of an issue for ~90 mins. When it starts wearing off is when I tighten up. Skipping caffeine also makes everything better all day, except for the fact that I love the taste of coffee. Those 2 facts lead me to believe that the biggest remaining problem is somehow teaching myself to relax.

In entirely unrelated news, I went ahead and ran the Zwift FTP test again today since I've been feeling like I might have finally gotten my old strength back... and did in fact get exactly my old strength back. The results were identical to the watt and heart bpm to what I did 3 months ago. 227 watts FTP, peak 1 min power of 300 watts at 190 bpm, though I do feel significantly less exhausted after having done it so I guess maybe I have finally made at least a small improvement.
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troyguitar wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:39 pm
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It sounds to me like you have nerve impingement in your neck causing pain to radiate out into your arms. Leaning forward on a bike probably produces a shearing force on a disc or two somewhere just from the weight of your head, which impacts the nerves and is causing the pain you're experiencing. I would wager the #1 thing that would help you is having a stronger neck. It's good for everyone, but I might try investing in an Iron Neck (https://www.iron-neck.com/pages/iron-ne ... bilitation) and seeing what that does for you.
It could be that too if it's not as simple as a ton of tightness/stress in the upper traps. Hard to say without getting a general doctor to refer me to the right specialist to take the right images and finally diagnose it properly. That's a :neat: contraption :doe: that I've not seen. On first inspection it does seem similar to at least some of the exercises I've been doing but I've admittedly not been super religious about those exercises.

I kind of wonder if I just need a good massage or something to get back to a neutral starting point. My upper body hasn't been loose in so long that I don't even remember how that feels.
Massage might be a good idea? It's not terribly expensive in time/money, likely a better way to go than many things in that regard. Worst case, you feel great for a bit and it doesn't really help long term.
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I can say that getting some bodywork done helped me a ton. Earlier this year I couldn’t stand up out of a chair without insane pain in my right quad. I thought I’d torn the muscle, had a tumor growing, or something crazy. Started seeing a dude and he was able tell by feeling it that it was just super locked up muscle tissue. A few weeks of him working on me later, and I was moving completely pain free. He used manual therapy like pushing on trigger points (incredibly fucking painful), graston scraping, cupping, and electrostim stuff.

See if there is anyone in Corning that does ART (active release therapy), and they may be able to help you out. Will likely do more than a normal deep tissue massage.
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[user not found] wrote:This is the kind of constructive conversation I enjoy seeing in here. :like:

Also, I want a massage badly. I did get one when my therapist opened up briefly and gave me first dibs on an appointment but I haven’t been back because it seems she hasn’t been taking the plandemic as serious as she should.
I've never had one but it certainly seems like it couldn't hurt. I also want a hot tub, 15 minutes a day in there would probably alleviate many things. Can't :doit: in an apartment :doe:
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troyguitar wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:28 pm
[user not found] wrote:This is the kind of constructive conversation I enjoy seeing in here. :like:

Also, I want a massage badly. I did get one when my therapist opened up briefly and gave me first dibs on an appointment but I haven’t been back because it seems she hasn’t been taking the plandemic as serious as she should.
I've never had one but it certainly seems like it couldn't hurt. I also want a hot tub, 15 minutes a day in there would probably alleviate many things. Can't :doit: in an apartment :doe:
I got one once and personally hated it, I’m not really all about being naked in a room with a Stranger and having them touch me, but it probably would help you. I definitely agree that having a hot tub would rule, but there is no way I would deal with the headache or expense.
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I've no idea how/why, but it seems like every time I adjust my setup to be more "aggressive" it's actually more comfortable to me. I got a -17 degree stem and chopped 20mm off the steerer tube the other day, just gave it the first real outdoor ride this afternoon and it's ever so slightly more comfortable. I guess I'm going to drop the bars the rest of the way down soon, I only have 10mm further down that I can even go on this frame. They're a full 90mm below the saddle now. :dafuq:

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Troy have you tried a TENS machine? For $30 this thing is absolutely amazing. https://www.amazon.com/HealthmateForeve ... iatesyj-20

Two AA batteries hook to up to four pads and MAN, this thing gives serious pain relief for nerve pain. Was indispensable in helping through a C7 nerve impingement about a year ago.
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Sorry 8 pads max.
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Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:24 pm Troy have you tried a TENS machine? For $30 this thing is absolutely amazing. https://www.amazon.com/HealthmateForeve ... iatesyj-20

Two AA batteries hook to up to four pads and MAN, this thing gives serious pain relief for nerve pain. Was indispensable in helping through a C7 nerve impingement about a year ago.
+1
I have something similar except it runs on a rechargeable battery and has only 4 pads max, though I only ever use 2. The thing is fantastic for when I get a stiff neck or shoulder pain. :like:
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wap wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:36 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:24 pm Troy have you tried a TENS machine? For $30 this thing is absolutely amazing. https://www.amazon.com/HealthmateForeve ... iatesyj-20

Two AA batteries hook to up to four pads and MAN, this thing gives serious pain relief for nerve pain. Was indispensable in helping through a C7 nerve impingement about a year ago.
+1
I have something similar except it runs on a rechargeable battery and has only 4 pads max, though I only ever use 2. The thing is fantastic for when I get a stiff neck or shoulder pain. :like:
Double Codger Approved. :notbad: I am amazed by how much juice gets sent out of this thing from two AAs. At full power you'd think you were hooked up to a car battery. And the batteries last a long time. I don't get it.
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Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:40 pm
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I have something similar except it runs on a rechargeable battery and has only 4 pads max, though I only ever use 2. The thing is fantastic for when I get a stiff neck or shoulder pain. :like:
Double Codger Approved. :notbad: I am amazed by how much juice gets sent out of this thing from two AAs. At full power you'd think you were hooked up to a car battery. And the batteries last a long time. I don't get it.
:iono:
Must take relatively little juice to really made dem :massles: twitch. And they do twitch, a lot! :lol:
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Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:24 pm Troy have you tried a TENS machine? For $30 this thing is absolutely amazing. https://www.amazon.com/HealthmateForeve ... iatesyj-20

Two AA batteries hook to up to four pads and MAN, this thing gives serious pain relief for nerve pain. Was indispensable in helping through a C7 nerve impingement about a year ago.
This is very similar to what my ART dude used on me.

I actually kept seeing them advertised for helping women with period cramps and mentioned it to michelle, so she bought one branded for that and said it makes a huge difference. I’ve used hers on my right shoulder a few times when I had some pain in there. Helps for sure.
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Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:24 pm Troy have you tried a TENS machine? For $30 this thing is absolutely amazing. https://www.amazon.com/HealthmateForeve ... iatesyj-20

Two AA batteries hook to up to four pads and MAN, this thing gives serious pain relief for nerve pain. Was indispensable in helping through a C7 nerve impingement about a year ago.
I've never seen/heard of anything like that. Funky. I have an electric heating pad that goes over the neck/shoulders but it doesn't really help much. It somehow zaps the muscles into relaxing?
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:50 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:24 pm Troy have you tried a TENS machine? For $30 this thing is absolutely amazing. https://www.amazon.com/HealthmateForeve ... iatesyj-20

Two AA batteries hook to up to four pads and MAN, this thing gives serious pain relief for nerve pain. Was indispensable in helping through a C7 nerve impingement about a year ago.
I've never seen/heard of anything like that. Funky. I have an electric heating pad that goes over the neck/shoulders but it doesn't really help much. It somehow zaps the muscles into relaxing?
Yes sir. you can actually watch the muscle pulse between the sending and receiving pad. They use these things at Physical Therapy appointments that you pay out the ars for. The one I sent you is powerful and cheap, and totally helped me through some painful nerve issues.
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:50 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:24 pm Troy have you tried a TENS machine? For $30 this thing is absolutely amazing. https://www.amazon.com/HealthmateForeve ... iatesyj-20

Two AA batteries hook to up to four pads and MAN, this thing gives serious pain relief for nerve pain. Was indispensable in helping through a C7 nerve impingement about a year ago.
I've never seen/heard of anything like that. Funky. I have an electric heating pad that goes over the neck/shoulders but it doesn't really help much. It somehow zaps the muscles into relaxing?
It sends a pulsed electric current through the :massles: forcing them to alternately contract then relax. It sort of makes them massage themselves. On mine you can vary the intensity of the charge and the rapidity of the pulse. The key is placing the electrodes exactly right to work on the affected :massles:
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I've never seen/heard of anything like that. Funky. I have an electric heating pad that goes over the neck/shoulders but it doesn't really help much. It somehow zaps the muscles into relaxing?
Yes sir. you can actually watch the muscle pulse between the sending and receiving pad. They use these things at Physical Therapy appointments that you pay out the ars for. The one I sent you is powerful and cheap, and totally helped me through some painful nerve issues.
:dat:
I get a lot of stiff necks where the muscle that runs of the side of your neck gets really tight, making it almost impossible to turn my head in one direction. When I put the electrodes on my neck, the pulse actually pulls my head down on that side before releasing it. It's kinda funny to watch, actually. After many dozens of cycles, the muscle is loosened.
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Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:59 pm Yes sir. you can actually watch the muscle pulse between the sending and receiving pad. They use these things at Physical Therapy appointments that you pay out the ars for. The one I sent you is powerful and cheap, and totally helped me through some painful nerve issues.
:dat:
I get a lot of stiff necks where the muscle that runs of the side of your neck gets really tight, making it almost impossible to turn my head in one direction. When I put the electrodes on my neck, the pulse actually pulls my head down on that side before releasing it. It's kinda funny to watch, actually. After many dozens of cycles, the muscle is loosened.
If you swallow the blue pills faster, then that won't happen anymore.
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:53 pm
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I get a lot of stiff necks where the muscle that runs of the side of your neck gets really tight, making it almost impossible to turn my head in one direction. When I put the electrodes on my neck, the pulse actually pulls my head down on that side before releasing it. It's kinda funny to watch, actually. After many dozens of cycles, the muscle is loosened.
If you swallow the blue pills faster, then that won't happen anymore.
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:50 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:24 pm Troy have you tried a TENS machine? For $30 this thing is absolutely amazing. https://www.amazon.com/HealthmateForeve ... iatesyj-20

Two AA batteries hook to up to four pads and MAN, this thing gives serious pain relief for nerve pain. Was indispensable in helping through a C7 nerve impingement about a year ago.
I've never seen/heard of anything like that. Funky. I have an electric heating pad that goes over the neck/shoulders but it doesn't really help much. It somehow zaps the muscles into relaxing?
I had one visit with a chiropractor back when I was having back issues, he used something like this. :iono: I don't really remember whether or not it did anything, but ultimately my back was still jacked up. It took a doctor showing me a bunch of light core/strength stuff that over time worked. The chiropractor stuff may have worked too but given I was on the road full time and didn't have the big bucks, going regularly wasn't in the cards.

A device you can get for not a ton of money seems worth trying, especially given all of the endorsements here.
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Giant finally out with a trail bike with modern geometry. Would be :fullretard: to move into one of these with as little as I get to ride, but this looks so perfect for me.

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coogles wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:55 pm Giant finally out with a trail bike with modern geometry. Would be :fullretard: to move into one of these with as little as I get to ride, but this looks so perfect for me.

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Where are you riding that would require this much travel? Out west, this thing rules...but in the midwest? :notsure:

My dad has a Trance 27.5 that I love riding, but I actually decrease the shock travel to 100mm when riding here because more just feels sloppy and overkill.
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Detroit wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:14 pm Where are you riding that would require this much travel? Out west, this thing rules...but in the midwest? :notsure:

My dad has a Trance 27.5 that I love riding, but I actually decrease the shock travel to 100mm when riding here because more just feels sloppy and overkill.
:notsure: 135mm isn't that crazy, IMO. It's not some crazy downhill bike, it looks to me like a bike that can do it all. I don't find my Trance to have way too much travel for the riding I do. :iono: I'm sure I'd be faster on something with less than 140mm, but it feels pretty responsive to me and frankly it probably makes up for some of my lack of riding ability. I've ridden my local trails on a hardtail, and it was TOUGH. If I was actually going to do anything, I'd be looking at this, the Fuel EX (130mm), and the Ripley (120mm).

Maybe you're not running enough pressure in the shock or have too small of a volume spacer? The Trance shouldn't feel that sloppy if it's set up properly.
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Detroit wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:14 pm Where are you riding that would require this much travel? Out west, this thing rules...but in the midwest? :notsure:

My dad has a Trance 27.5 that I love riding, but I actually decrease the shock travel to 100mm when riding here because more just feels sloppy and overkill.
:notsure: 135mm isn't that crazy, IMO. It's not some crazy downhill bike, it looks to me like a bike that can do it all. I don't find my Trance to have way too much travel for the riding I do. :iono: I'm sure I'd be faster on something with less than 140mm, but it feels pretty responsive to me and frankly it probably makes up for some of my lack of riding ability. I've ridden my local trails on a hardtail, and it was TOUGH. If I was actually going to do anything, I'd be looking at this, the Fuel EX (130mm), and the Ripley (120mm).

Maybe you're not running enough pressure in the shock or have too small of a volume spacer? The Trance shouldn't feel that sloppy if it's set up properly.
I think it's more about personal preference than anything. I just don't like that much suspension travel if I don't need it. More pressure in the shock just reduces travel. Riding the Giant with full 120 or whatever just doesn't feel as fast and responsive as when it's at 100 to me. But when I was bombing trails in CA, I really liked the extra 20mm to keep contact with the ground over rocks and whatnot.
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I just noticed today that I apparently had tire sealant all over the back of my bike from yesterday's ride. I can't actually see a puncture and the tire is still holding air. Should I deflate it and add more sealant?
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