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It's nice to see someone else has heart rates like mine. I feel like I have to hit 180+ bpm to be anything beyond dangerously slow. 140? That's for riding 5 mph.
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SAWCE wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:54 pm
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So as someone who was recently in your shoes, I'll throw in my two cents. I would just get the lower cost one if you ride it and like it.

1. It's available now (this is saying a lot, waits can be 6+ months to get a bike)
2. You're not a :plac: kinda guy. I bet you will like the bike and keep it for many years. Given that, :whocares: about resale value.
3. The stuff will perform just fine and be pretty robust for day-to-day use.

If you're into the All City I would just :doit: :iono:

Cyclists tend to get a little bit overly caught up in numbers/specs/equipment, the best bike is the one you can just go ride.
Definitely something to consider. I’m not planning on :plac: ever. Ride it until it no longer serves my needs. That said, if the $500 gets me another year or two of riding, I’d call that worthwhile..
If the better spec is readily available (ETA within 30 days), go for the better spec.

$500 for better shifty bits, crank, and brakes is a drop in the bucket if you’re looking to keep this forever.

Otherwise you’re just gonna have regrets.
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troyguitar wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:56 pm It's nice to see someone else has heart rates like mine. I feel like I have to hit 180+ bpm to be anything beyond dangerously slow. 140? That's for riding 5 mph.
Yeah, I've always had a higher heart rate than many.

B18C heart vs. :ellis:
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SAWCE wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:54 pm
D Griff wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:37 pm

So as someone who was recently in your shoes, I'll throw in my two cents. I would just get the lower cost one if you ride it and like it.

1. It's available now (this is saying a lot, waits can be 6+ months to get a bike)
2. You're not a :plac: kinda guy. I bet you will like the bike and keep it for many years. Given that, :whocares: about resale value.
3. The stuff will perform just fine and be pretty robust for day-to-day use.

If you're into the All City I would just :doit: :iono:

Cyclists tend to get a little bit overly caught up in numbers/specs/equipment, the best bike is the one you can just go ride.
Definitely something to consider. I’m not planning on :plac: ever. Ride it until it no longer serves my needs. That said, if the $500 gets me another year or two of riding, I’d call that worthwhile..
:iono: I rode a bike thousands of miles last year with a Shimano 2X6 setup from the 1990s that is sooo much worse than anything new and it still works perfectly fine. I definitely like my (relatively) :fancy: Shimano 105 on the new bike, but is it really necessary? Nah. Pretty much any of this stuff will last indefinitely if taken care of decently well.

All things being equal I would just pay the $500 and get the nicer one because why not on something you'll have for many years, but if you want to get out and ride I wouldn't let it hold you back if the lower cost one is what's available.
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I'm not usually into black bikes, but I'm pretty into this one. That flake in the paint is pretty rockin', and the gold is a nice touch.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353509386896?_ ... %7Ciid%3A1

I contacted the seller directly and they said it'd be $2,200 shipped, which seems high considering a brand new SL6 Tarmac 105 with rim brakes would be $2,600 if you could actually find one, but I guess that's the world today.

Assuming I like the Emonda once it comes in, I guess it comes down to - carbon frame with with the last-gen 105 groupset and rim brakes, or the newest 105 goodness with disc brakes and through-axles but with an alloy frame? If I was sure I'd never upgrade either bike, I'd for sure go with the Tarmac due to what should be a better ride quality. But if I decide to upgrade the wheels on either bike, I'd be hesitant to do that on the Tarmac considering it's a QR rim brake bike and I'd be less likely to be able to take them to another one. I could get the Emonda, upgrade wheels, bars, etc. if I want to, then if I ever want to go with a carbon bike I could presumably just do a frame swap.

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coogles wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:22 pm I'm not usually into black bikes, but I'm pretty into this one. That flake in the paint is pretty rockin', and the gold is a nice touch.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353509386896?_ ... %7Ciid%3A1

I contacted the seller directly and they said it'd be $2,200 shipped, which seems high considering a brand new SL6 Tarmac 105 with rim brakes would be $2,600 if you could actually find one, but I guess that's the world today.

Assuming I like the Emonda once it comes in, I guess it comes down to - carbon frame with with the last-gen 105 groupset and rim brakes, or the newest 105 goodness with disc brakes and through-axles but with an alloy frame? If I was sure I'd never upgrade either bike, I'd for sure go with the Tarmac due to what should be a better ride quality. But if I decide to upgrade the wheels on either bike, I'd be hesitant to do that on the Tarmac considering it's a QR rim brake bike and I'd be less likely to be able to take them to another one. I could get the Emonda, upgrade wheels, bars, etc. if I want to, then if I ever want to go with a carbon bike I could presumably just do a frame swap.

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That is a ripoff, that is what my bike was new shipped (well, $2650ish but less the custom paint it's equal) and it's basically the same build but with hydro discs and new.

Carbon frame is :nice: :doe:

FWIW I don't really think disc brakes are at all necessary on a road bike unless you're going to go do the Skyline Drive in freezing rain like Zill and I accidentally did :lolol: Even then he survived with rim brakes on carbon wheels. They do feel good, look good, and are easier to service :doe:
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D Griff wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:33 pm That is a ripoff, that is what my bike was new shipped (well, $2650ish but less the custom paint it's equal) and it's basically the same build but with hydro discs and new.

Carbon frame is :nice: :doe:

FWIW I don't really think disc brakes are at all necessary on a road bike unless you're going to go do the Skyline Drive in freezing rain like Zill and I accidentally did :lolol: Even then he survived with rim brakes on carbon wheels. They do feel good, look good, and are easier to service :doe:
The Ribble is no doubt a great :dill:, but I'd have to wait until the very end of the year or January 2022 for one now. I've done this to myself. :ohwell:

I agree with you on the disc brake thing. I never had a problem with rim brakes, but I also don't have huge hills to go down or ride in the wet, so to me it makes no difference.
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coogles wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:46 pm
D Griff wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:33 pm That is a ripoff, that is what my bike was new shipped (well, $2650ish but less the custom paint it's equal) and it's basically the same build but with hydro discs and new.

Carbon frame is :nice: :doe:

FWIW I don't really think disc brakes are at all necessary on a road bike unless you're going to go do the Skyline Drive in freezing rain like Zill and I accidentally did :lolol: Even then he survived with rim brakes on carbon wheels. They do feel good, look good, and are easier to service :doe:
The Ribble is no doubt a great :dill:, but I'd have to wait until the very end of the year or January 2022 for one now. I've done this to myself. :ohwell:

I agree with you on the disc brake thing. I never had a problem with rim brakes, but I also don't have huge hills to go down or ride in the wet, so to me it makes no difference.
It is pretty hilly here but it just still doesn't matter on a road bike that much.

I am just hoping you love the Trek, I think that's a solid bet.

I've honestly never ridden an aluminum road bike so I just don't know how good they are or aren't, people say they've come quite a distance though. I will say, steel still rides quite a bit better than carbon.
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D Griff wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:49 pm It is pretty hilly here but it just still doesn't matter on a road bike that much.

I am just hoping you love the Trek, I think that's a solid bet.

I've honestly never ridden an aluminum road bike so I just don't know how good they are or aren't, people say they've come quite a distance though. I will say, steel still rides quite a bit better than carbon.
I'm hoping so too. I just, well, loved the Aethos minus the stupid flappy paddle shifting. Felt so weird. But the ride was incredible, the geometry was lower than I remember the Emonda being but still quite comfortable. And obviously a two generation older Tarmac does not equal a new Aethos, but the geo is the same.
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Got the Gravity machine all done finally. Now to get the Cannondale taken apart and boxed up to ship out, then maybe finish off my own bike and eventually ride the thing... :derp:

This one is shiny now :doe:

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:nice:

That's a good-looking bike.
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Her bike might be nicer than mine now, but I figure she needs to have no excuses not to ride it.

I did actually get out on mine for a few errands today and tested out the SPD sandals. They seem pretty great as a middle ground option. Comfy to walk in but gets you 99% of the benefit of :fullretard: road shoes... and the double sided aspect is great when you have to stop at every block.

I think that I need a shorter stem to go with these carbon aero bars :doe: - I didn't realize that they have a 107mm reach so I'm stretched out a bit too much with the 120mm stem. Dunno, it could also be a matter of getting used to it. Fast guys seem to universally ride with super long reaches.
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SAWCE wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:02 pm Bicycle brethren. I’ve still been eyeing the All City Space Horse that one of you suggested I look at. Question though, when comparing the GRX to the Tiagra, is the GRX worth the extra $500? That money gets you hydraulic disc brakes vs the standard mechanical disc brakes and GRX 400 or 600 groupset vs the standard Tiagra or FSW groupset.
They are both 10 speed groupsets. They will shift basically the same. Lisa has Tiagra on her bike and it works great.

GRX bike will have hydro discs which will feel a ton more powerful. The rear derailleur also has a clutch in it to keep it from flopping around when you go off road and keep the chain from falling. My bike has cable disc and no clutch and it does just fine for the gnarly mountain bike trails I ride.

Basically if you’re going off road on it the GRX is specd nicer. If you’re just going to be riding around on the road or bike paths they will feel identical.

These are basically the same as my bike so ask any questions you want. They won’t feel fast and they’re heavy compared to aluminum or carbon. But my steel bike is my favorite bike I’ve ever owned. It got way better with nicer wheels which were $500 on the nose... the brakes and all are nice but better wheels are where you’ll notice the real differences.
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Again, I maintain that :massles: is a bigger dude, and stiffer cranks and more braking power (especially in the larger montañas of the west with longer descents) are very nice to have for a mere $500 more.

Wheels can be had very easily down the road if desired. Spend the $500 on the better groupset up front and ride into the sunset a satisfied man.
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As to me, I raced the MASS Guy's Neshaminy XC race yesterday... and my weekend of mechanical maladies continued.

Lap 1 went off very well, entered the woods 4th wheel, got through the 3.5 mile prologue quickly, and decided I was running a little hot so I backed off a bit and let a few people past. NBD. I'm better on the tail end of the race, always.

Unfortunately, about 2/3 of the way through lap 2, I dropped the chain to the inside of the front ring on a rough rocky descent, and it lodged itself between the inner bash guard/chain guide and the aluminum bottom bracket insert. Took 3 of us (two of my friends were heckling/cheering trailside) to get it dislodged, but when we went to re-link the chain, the chain whipped and launched one of the quick link halves into the netherworld, never to be seen again.

My two buddies figured my day was done, but a DNF is always a last-resort, so I grabbed the bike, wrapped the chain around my hand, and took off running. I figured that if I could make it to the finish on foot, I might be able to find someone that had a 10-speed quick link, or I could grab a chain from neutral support.

Nobody had a quick link, but I was able to snag a fresh chain from the Guy's neutral support tent, and I was back in. Jumped back on course and finished out my last lap, and even passed someone so that I didn't finish dead-fucking-last, too.

Brutal race, but I finished, at least. Final result was 10th of 16 starters (many other DNFs, it seems), without my mishap I likely would've been 6th or so.

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I rode slowly on the path today. :whocares:
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YouTube knows I've been watching bike crap, and decided to send me two channels with "close call" videos between bikes and cars, although the one dude actually got hit in one of them by a car that took a turn too tight while he was dead stopped. Definitely makes me want to get a road bike. :nope: Shit like that is why I never rode on public roads and focused on MTB in the first place.
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coogles wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:48 pm YouTube knows I've been watching bike crap, and decided to send me two channels with "close call" videos between bikes and cars, although the one dude actually got hit in one of them by a car that took a turn too tight while he was dead stopped. Definitely makes me want to get a road bike. :nope: Shit like that is why I never rode on public roads and focused on MTB in the first place.
Thanks Youtube!

I ride B-roads for the most part with low/no traffic. Odds of an incident go way down the further you get from the unwashed car-driving masses.
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troyguitar wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:39 pm I rode slowly on the path today. :whocares:
Riding is riding dude. Getting outside is 5/7.
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Zillon wrote:
troyguitar wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:39 pm I rode slowly on the path today. :whocares:
Riding is riding dude. Getting outside is 5/7.
I'm having :plac: or just project bike daydreams now that I kinda sorta have some time to ride/wrench. This thing looks awesome:



The superx was delivered to the buyer in the blessed lands today. I'm waiting to hear that it made the journey unharmed before I spend any money. Pros Closet ended up getting beat right at the wire by a private party buyer. $2700 :plac: profit after fees/shipping. :troywax:

I kind of want to try a Chinese 1x groupset for :science: and it would be hilarious to do that on an S-works frame.
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Would you paint the frame?
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Zillon wrote:Would you paint the frame?
It's already chameleon metallic blurple, I'd throw parts on it and ride it. Chips and scratches are great IMO.
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troyguitar wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:44 pm
Zillon wrote:Would you paint the frame?
It's already chameleon metallic blurple, I'd throw parts on it and ride it. Chips and scratches are great IMO.
:dat:

I was worried about scratches and stuff for the first month or two after spending an extra $350 for my Sprite paint job. At the end of the day, you’re riding in the elements and it will get rocks hitting it and stuff. Better to have someone else make the first imperfections and :aintcare:
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