Try to come to middle ground - MAH FREEDUMBZ

Oh absolutely. Mainly for negligent shootings. Not many people have their own gun used against them intentionally but it would solve lots of negligent discharges (I don't use the term accidental shooting as any accidental shooting is rooted in negligence). I was thinking about guns getting stolen t...

rockchops wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:49 pm

Bender wrote:
There is a country that does it this way, but I can't remember which. I think it's japan? I can't take credit fully for this.

Why have a gun when all you need is a hammer and sickle?

DEAD.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:43 pm As you note all of this bullshit can be eliminated by going to Kansas, Wyoming, or Arizona.

Hell a purchase takes all of fifteen minutes here. *Literally* over the course of a lunch a hour, in some counties in, Pennsylvania you could get your concealed carry permit and buy your new gun.

:lol: I know it doesn't seem like it, but these ideas are far more restrictive. This actually points to a massive issue we have. The lack of a national structure greatly undermines the capabilities of any specific localities. As a gun owner I don't see why anyone would opposed these steps in good f...

There is a country that does it this way, but I can't remember which. I think it's japan? I can't take credit fully for this. California. :lol: I know it doesn't seem like it, but these ideas are far more restrictive. This actually points to a massive issue we have. The lack of a national structure...

I have no conceptual issue with registration either. My idea would be: 1) take class to be able to buy gun 2) pass background check 3) pass reference check 4) get approval to buy from law enforcement 5) buy insurance 6) go select your gun (no semi-automatic weapons) and present evidence of insuranc...

I'd think these make sense for any firearm. I don't know much about the ones on firearms but in the security sector they are kinda crap. :word: Is it something, in your opinion, that is worth improving on to get the technology right so it reliably works as intended? Oh absolutely. Mainly for neglig...

I have no conceptual issue with registration either. My idea would be: 1) take class to be able to buy gun 2) pass background check 3) pass reference check 4) get approval to buy from law enforcement 5) buy insurance 6) go select your gun (no semi-automatic weapons) and present evidence of insuranc...

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:00 pm

Bender wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:43 pm

This is Nazi shit.

Bullshit. It’s what humanity needs to survive and prolong whatever resources are left on the planet

Limitations on family size absolutely are, permitting from the government to have children absolutely is not and will lead immediately to eugenics.

Side note I'm a HUGE believer that all firearm owners need EXTENSIVE liability insurance. In order for owners to actually be held liable, though, the guns need to be registered... therefore why bother with insurance when there's effectively no liability? I have no conceptual issue with registration...

Pretty much :aintcare: as long as they are made well. My GTI built in puebla has held up pretty good as far as "superior" interior, especially when some people were :mindblown: the fact that it looks like a brand new car on the inside, considering it is almost a 100k mile car. Quality con...

Side note I'm a HUGE believer that all firearm owners need EXTENSIVE liability insurance.

And registration. Plus insurance. Sounds familiar, eh? FWIW repeating action firearms were known to the founders (having been in development for a few hundred.years at that point) and the next advancements were conceptually available. It took another 40 years for the first revolver to be patented b...

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:42 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:39 pm

Anything beyond a 1789-era musket should require a license.

Before we license guns we need to license kids. Having kids should be a privilege not a right.

This is Nazi shit.

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:18 pm

SAWCE wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:01 pm

Agreed, but ultimately and unfortunately there is no way of enforcing this

Then there is no way to enforce guns either.

We've been enforcing restrictions on guns successful for years. There were restrictions on firearms prior to the signing of the constitution.

Let's go for what we are really after... Let's say waiting periods reduced gun suicides by 30% (just a random number, for sake of discussion). That would save about 7,000 american lives a year and all it would require is waiting 3 days for any firearm purchase. Would you support that? If not, why n...

No in the suicide business but here's the facts I was using: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate You just stated you were using the WHO website. Don't change the story to fit YOUR narrative again. Us Rate is 15.3 Finland is 15.9 France is 17.7 Croatia is 16.5 Scroll down...

Not sure where you're getting your facts but they aren't correct. Corrections from the WHO are above. Generally you don't compare Western and Eastern cultures when it comes to suicide as the historical context is so different and it continues to have an impact today. https://worldpopulationreview.c...

Let's go for what we are really after... Let's say waiting periods reduced gun suicides by 30% (just a random number, for sake of discussion). That would save about 7,000 american lives a year and all it would require is waiting 3 days for any firearm purchase. Would you support that? If not, why no...

wrong - we are double the UK and 25% higher than our NATO allies. Suicides and early death (deaths of despair as they are often called) are a real problem here and guns aren't the core of the issue but they exasperate the issue. Japan South Korea France NATO ally - 10% LOWER Finland NATO ally - 10%...

Nope. https://americanhealth.jhu.edu/article/how-do-gun-laws-affect-suicide-rates Access has a huge impact followed by permeance. Additional 90% of failed suiciders never die from suicide. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/survival/ If you take away the easiest most permanent m...

I think what is being said that having a gun handy makes it likelier that someone might off themselves in a flash of depression or extreme familiar conflict. Sadly, I've personally known this to happen. :( So what do you propose? No guns ? Loads of options, but waiting periods are easy and constitu...

So we saying that once someone decides to off themselves they won’t do it if they don’t have a gun ? :lolgasm: Nope. https://americanhealth.jhu.edu/article/how-do-gun-laws-affect-suicide-rates Access has a huge impact followed by permeance. Additional 90% of failed suiciders never die from suicide....

That's what I'd always heard. Shame so many people don't know/understand/believe/want to believe this. A gun's presence does exacerbate "heat of the moment" decisions. A depressive mood swing or finding out your spouse is the town bicycle can quickly turn into deadly scenarios if you have...