It's a hot car. Special Audi, not something you see errday.Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:17 pm Of course I didn't have time to put the shifter in but I did do some driving and the rear bar doesn't seem to be as as everyone claims. Can't be because of the stock end links?
I've never done just a rear bar but on my I did both and that was a change. This? Not so much despite the stock rear bar being 21.7mm and the H&R being 25mm solid. Seems like a very incremental upgrade. I'll see if I notice a substantial change next autocross.
I still have a mega for RS3 . Doesn't help all the reviews are raving about it.
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The one thing that really bothers me about it is the fact that it is a golf for 65k-80kDesertbreh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:59 pmIt's a hot car. Special Audi, not something you see errday.Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:17 pm Of course I didn't have time to put the shifter in but I did do some driving and the rear bar doesn't seem to be as as everyone claims. Can't be because of the stock end links?
I've never done just a rear bar but on my I did both and that was a change. This? Not so much despite the stock rear bar being 21.7mm and the H&R being 25mm solid. Seems like a very incremental upgrade. I'll see if I notice a substantial change next autocross.
I still have a mega for RS3 . Doesn't help all the reviews are raving about it.
RS3 is dope for sure.Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:17 pm Of course I didn't have time to put the shifter in but I did do some driving and the rear bar doesn't seem to be as as everyone claims. Can't be because of the stock end links?
I've never done just a rear bar but on my I did both and that was a change. This? Not so much despite the stock rear bar being 21.7mm and the H&R being 25mm solid. Seems like a very incremental upgrade. I'll see if I notice a substantial change next autocross.
I still have a mega for RS3 . Doesn't help all the reviews are raving about it.
I wouldn't think the bar would be all that noticeable on the street, but depends on how hard you're driving and where. I would actually think changing out one bar would be more noticeable as it should in theory change the overall dynamics of the car more front versus rear (in this case making the rear far more stiff). But if you're not getting to the point of understeer/rotation, I doubt it would be all that detectible.
I mean... I guess? It's got a different engine, different AWD system, different suspension/tire sizes settings, a different body style. Not to mention any niceties that an Audi has versus a VW.max225 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:16 pmThe one thing that really bothers me about it is the fact that it is a golf for 65k-80kDesertbreh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:59 pm
It's a hot car. Special Audi, not something you see errday.
That's kind of like saying an M3 is a 330i.
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Is the AWD system different?
https://www.carscoops.com/2021/01/new-a ... wd-system/
I get it, there are differences and yes it has an extra cylinder which IMO is the only draw here. Its just personal opinion on my end. RS3 is a great car I just never thought the RS models were worth their money. They get really really pricy, and you can have 90% of the performance for around 60% of the price with the Golf line up.
Maybe notmax225 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:30 pmIs the AWD system different?
https://www.carscoops.com/2021/01/new-a ... wd-system/
I get it, there are differences and yes it has an extra cylinder which IMO is the only draw here. Its just personal opinion on my end. RS3 is a great car I just never thought the RS models were worth their money. They get really really pricy, and you can have 90% of the performance for around 60% of the price with the Golf line up.
I thought in the release there was a bunch of press around it having new tech, the ability to drift, etc. I can't afford one and don't want an auto, so I don't pay all that much attention.
It does seem like auto journalists constantly rave about how great the RS3 is, many of the same people say the Golf R is a little boring. I've never driven either, so I'm talking out my ass here, but I think the RS3 is pretty sweet. You can also make insane powah out of the five cylinder seemingly reliably? It seems to be a wonderful motor.
I had it on some twisty roads over the weekend and even general body roll is still there. I thought the rear would be super stiff but maybe it's a positive that it's not. On my GTI both bars really eliminated most of the body roll.D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:24 pmRS3 is dope for sure.Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:17 pm Of course I didn't have time to put the shifter in but I did do some driving and the rear bar doesn't seem to be as as everyone claims. Can't be because of the stock end links?
I've never done just a rear bar but on my I did both and that was a change. This? Not so much despite the stock rear bar being 21.7mm and the H&R being 25mm solid. Seems like a very incremental upgrade. I'll see if I notice a substantial change next autocross.
I still have a mega for RS3 . Doesn't help all the reviews are raving about it.
I wouldn't think the bar would be all that noticeable on the street, but depends on how hard you're driving and where. I would actually think changing out one bar would be more noticeable as it should in theory change the overall dynamics of the car more front versus rear (in this case making the rear far more stiff). But if you're not getting to the point of understeer/rotation, I doubt it would be all that detectible.
You're probably right Like everyone says, these cars are great at 7/10ths and I don't push it any further than that on the street. I'll see how it feels at the next event.
It's probably the last time we see the 5 cylinder too.D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:36 pmMaybe notmax225 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:30 pm
Is the AWD system different?
https://www.carscoops.com/2021/01/new-a ... wd-system/
I get it, there are differences and yes it has an extra cylinder which IMO is the only draw here. Its just personal opinion on my end. RS3 is a great car I just never thought the RS models were worth their money. They get really really pricy, and you can have 90% of the performance for around 60% of the price with the Golf line up.
I thought in the release there was a bunch of press around it having new tech, the ability to drift, etc. I can't afford one and don't want an auto, so I don't pay all that much attention.
It does seem like auto journalists constantly rave about how great the RS3 is, many of the same people say the Golf R is a little boring. I've never driven either, so I'm talking out my ass here, but I think the RS3 is pretty sweet. You can also make insane powah out of the five cylinder seemingly reliably? It seems to be a wonderful motor.
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Yea the other thing is the current R goes 0-60 in under 4 seconds... which is clocks the quarter in the mid 12s.
The RS3 is in the lower 3 and high 11s... which is insanely fast. But is it really "worth" it? I feel like Golf R is plenty fast already. I feel like the 5 cylinder takes away a couple of things that make the R practical... essentially making the RS less practical, which is kind of the whole point!? Higher maintenance costs/higher price point of entry. And the give a fuck meter for an RS makes it quite difficult. Prob much more scared to park it places etc... But arguably a funner car etc but less practicals.
The RS3 is in the lower 3 and high 11s... which is insanely fast. But is it really "worth" it? I feel like Golf R is plenty fast already. I feel like the 5 cylinder takes away a couple of things that make the R practical... essentially making the RS less practical, which is kind of the whole point!? Higher maintenance costs/higher price point of entry. And the give a fuck meter for an RS makes it quite difficult. Prob much more scared to park it places etc... But arguably a funner car etc but less practicals.
This is sort of always the equation as cars get more expensive though.max225 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:44 pm Yea the other thing is the current R goes 0-60 in under 4 seconds... which is clocks the quarter in the mid 12s.
The RS3 is in the lower 3 and high 11s... which is insanely fast. But is it really "worth" it? I feel like Golf R is plenty fast already. I feel like the 5 cylinder takes away a couple of things that make the R practical... essentially making the RS less practical, which is kind of the whole point!? Higher maintenance costs/higher price point of entry. And the give a fuck meter for an RS makes it quite difficult. Prob much more scared to park it places etc... But arguably a funner car etc but less practicals.
I struggle with this, I would really rather daily something like a GTI, Civic Si, my BMW etc. and have a second toy if I had $70K to play with. $40-50K gets you into a sweet Corvette, a decent Boxster, a Miata or 86 with money left over which are all more fun than (I think) an RS3 would be and you can care less day to day. But then having two cars blows. So pick your poison I guess.
But think about the lack of depreciation on the RS!!max225 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:44 pm Yea the other thing is the current R goes 0-60 in under 4 seconds... which is clocks the quarter in the mid 12s.
The RS3 is in the lower 3 and high 11s... which is insanely fast. But is it really "worth" it? I feel like Golf R is plenty fast already. I feel like the 5 cylinder takes away a couple of things that make the R practical... essentially making the RS less practical, which is kind of the whole point!? Higher maintenance costs/higher price point of entry. And the give a fuck meter for an RS makes it quite difficult. Prob much more scared to park it places etc... But arguably a funner car etc but less practicals.
I know I said I'd never do it but I could always get a for my R. Stage 1 from all the t00ners is right around 350hp. Mk8 is still running the same clutch at 315hp and 280tq.
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Yea for sure. I just feel like once you cross over 60k DD'ing it becomes a race to the bottom because of how expensive it is to drive something like that.D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:49 pmThis is sort of always the equation as cars get more expensive though.max225 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:44 pm Yea the other thing is the current R goes 0-60 in under 4 seconds... which is clocks the quarter in the mid 12s.
The RS3 is in the lower 3 and high 11s... which is insanely fast. But is it really "worth" it? I feel like Golf R is plenty fast already. I feel like the 5 cylinder takes away a couple of things that make the R practical... essentially making the RS less practical, which is kind of the whole point!? Higher maintenance costs/higher price point of entry. And the give a fuck meter for an RS makes it quite difficult. Prob much more scared to park it places etc... But arguably a funner car etc but less practicals.
I struggle with this, I would really rather daily something like a GTI, Civic Si, my BMW etc. and have a second toy if I had $70K to play with. $40-50K gets you into a sweet Corvette, a decent Boxster, a Miata or 86 with money left over which are all more fun than (I think) an RS3 would be and you can care less day to day. But then having two cars blows. So pick your poison I guess.
I feel like DD'ing an 86 or a gti or a R makes way more sense.
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If you tune it just set money aside for the inevitable clutch replacement. I don’t see that as a problem just something that goes hand in hand with a major power increase.
Did you get the car aligned somewhat recently? Could be a good idea to get that done. Not sure what the direction is for the R but on the STI it was max out the camber on the front and set the toe to zero all around.
Did you get the car aligned somewhat recently? Could be a good idea to get that done. Not sure what the direction is for the R but on the STI it was max out the camber on the front and set the toe to zero all around.
Yep. Sachs makes upgrade kits which I'm assuming are better than anything from southbend.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:47 pm If you tune it just set money aside for the inevitable clutch replacement. I don’t see that as a problem just something that goes hand in hand with a major power increase.
Did you get the car aligned somewhat recently? Could be a good idea to get that done. Not sure what the direction is for the R but on the STI it was max out the camber on the front and set the toe to zero all around.
I haven't gotten an alignment but I definitely need one. I think max camber on the R is only like -1° at the front. Maybe one day I'll do those CSS knuckles to get to -2.1°
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The Golf R gets the rear diff, the S3 does not. Go figure.D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:36 pm Maybe not
I thought in the release there was a bunch of press around it having new tech, the ability to drift, etc. I can't afford one and don't want an auto, so I don't pay all that much attention.
It does seem like auto journalists constantly rave about how great the RS3 is, many of the same people say the Golf R is a little boring. I've never driven either, so I'm talking out my ass here, but I think the RS3 is pretty sweet. You can also make insane powah out of the five cylinder seemingly reliably? It seems to be a wonderful motor.
In this case I think the price difference is totally worth it. It's roughly a $15k difference if you don't option the thing out with the carbon ceramics and other shit. The interior in the Audi is leaps and bounds better in this generation, and getting the 5 cylinder makes for a completely different experience, IMO.
I mean... I wouldGberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:51 pmBut think about the lack of depreciation on the RS!!max225 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:44 pm Yea the other thing is the current R goes 0-60 in under 4 seconds... which is clocks the quarter in the mid 12s.
The RS3 is in the lower 3 and high 11s... which is insanely fast. But is it really "worth" it? I feel like Golf R is plenty fast already. I feel like the 5 cylinder takes away a couple of things that make the R practical... essentially making the RS less practical, which is kind of the whole point!? Higher maintenance costs/higher price point of entry. And the give a fuck meter for an RS makes it quite difficult. Prob much more scared to park it places etc... But arguably a funner car etc but less practicals.
I know I said I'd never do it but I could always get a for my R. Stage 1 from all the t00ners is right around 350hp. Mk8 is still running the same clutch at 315hp and 280tq.
You MIGHT have to replace the clutch in the future, I'd say it's worth that. Isn't that really the only downside? I feel like these motors have been tuned for over a decade and seem to do just fine with it. No regrets in tuning by or in (Alan) tuning my Beemah.
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Your problem is still tires first, and maybe the way you drive the car second. The sway bars and other shit are variables that help, but my point still stands, get better tires, lighter wheels (the OEM's on your R are horrendously heavy) and just... try not to overdrive the car sometimes? We are often our own worst enemies when it comes to this stuff. And it's not a SKILL thing, it is a "I know better than my instincts" thing.Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:17 pm Of course I didn't have time to put the shifter in but I did do some driving and the rear bar doesn't seem to be as as everyone claims. Can't be because of the stock end links?
I've never done just a rear bar but on my I did both and that was a change. This? Not so much despite the stock rear bar being 21.7mm and the H&R being 25mm solid. Seems like a very incremental upgrade. I'll see if I notice a substantial change next autocross.
I still have a mega for RS3 . Doesn't help all the reviews are raving about it.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:05 pm DFD. The forum where everybody makes the same choices and then tells anybody trying to join the club that they are the stupidest motherfucker to ever walk the earth.
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It’s been a long time, but tires, tire pressure, and alignment were always the three biggest impacts for an autocross car.Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:57 pmYep. Sachs makes upgrade kits which I'm assuming are better than anything from southbend.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:47 pm If you tune it just set money aside for the inevitable clutch replacement. I don’t see that as a problem just something that goes hand in hand with a major power increase.
Did you get the car aligned somewhat recently? Could be a good idea to get that done. Not sure what the direction is for the R but on the STI it was max out the camber on the front and set the toe to zero all around.
I haven't gotten an alignment but I definitely need one. I think max camber on the R is only like -1° at the front. Maybe one day I'll do those CSS knuckles to get to -2.1°
It seems pretty much a certainty with Mk7 and the power the gen 3 EA888's put out. I did get about 50k out of my stock Mk6 clutch before it started to slip and that was t00ned pretty much the entirety of ownershit. Totally different power figures though.D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:45 pmI mean... I would
You MIGHT have to replace the clutch in the future, I'd say it's worth that. Isn't that really the only downside? I feel like these motors have been tuned for over a decade and seem to do just fine with it. No regrets in tuning by or in (Alan) tuning my Beemah.
This is just in normal spirited driving. Not pushing it nearly as hard as an autocross. I just thought I'd feel it more than I do.razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:46 pmYour problem is still tires first, and maybe the way you drive the car second. The sway bars and other shit are variables that help, but my point still stands, get better tires, lighter wheels (the OEM's on your R are horrendously heavy) and just... try not to overdrive the car sometimes? We are often our own worst enemies when it comes to this stuff. And it's not a SKILL thing, it is a "I know better than my instincts" thing.Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:17 pm Of course I didn't have time to put the shifter in but I did do some driving and the rear bar doesn't seem to be as as everyone claims. Can't be because of the stock end links?
I've never done just a rear bar but on my I did both and that was a change. This? Not so much despite the stock rear bar being 21.7mm and the H&R being 25mm solid. Seems like a very incremental upgrade. I'll see if I notice a substantial change next autocross.
I still have a mega for RS3 . Doesn't help all the reviews are raving about it.
Still, even including cost of and clutch, it seems for adding 25% more powah. Just depends on if you'll wind up in short order or not I guess.Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:24 pmIt seems pretty much a certainty with Mk7 and the power the gen 3 EA888's put out. I did get about 50k out of my stock Mk6 clutch before it started to slip and that was t00ned pretty much the entirety of ownershit. Totally different power figures though.D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:45 pm
I mean... I would
You MIGHT have to replace the clutch in the future, I'd say it's worth that. Isn't that really the only downside? I feel like these motors have been tuned for over a decade and seem to do just fine with it. No regrets in tuning by or in (Alan) tuning my Beemah.
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It could be the MQB is just more refined of a platform for that, but yea, I was referring more to the autocross stuff.Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:27 pmThis is just in normal spirited driving. Not pushing it nearly as hard as an autocross. I just thought I'd feel it more than I do.razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:46 pm
Your problem is still tires first, and maybe the way you drive the car second. The sway bars and other shit are variables that help, but my point still stands, get better tires, lighter wheels (the OEM's on your R are horrendously heavy) and just... try not to overdrive the car sometimes? We are often our own worst enemies when it comes to this stuff. And it's not a SKILL thing, it is a "I know better than my instincts" thing.
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What ESC setting you have it on? The bigger rear bar will try to rotate it more, the ESC will probably be more active as a result. VW ESC is way too conservative.Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:27 pmThis is just in normal spirited driving. Not pushing it nearly as hard as an autocross. I just thought I'd feel it more than I do.razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:46 pm
Your problem is still tires first, and maybe the way you drive the car second. The sway bars and other shit are variables that help, but my point still stands, get better tires, lighter wheels (the OEM's on your R are horrendously heavy) and just... try not to overdrive the car sometimes? We are often our own worst enemies when it comes to this stuff. And it's not a SKILL thing, it is a "I know better than my instincts" thing.
Despite wanting to , it would be a terrible financial decision to do so at this point. Especially into a more "premium" car like RS3, M3, etc. I'll just be like everyone else here and get a toy, realize 2 car lyfe sucks, them both for , then the truk for a used E350.
Eventual stage 1 seems like a nice play and I think all of them are tune at home now instead of having to take it in someplace.