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In 0-60.
coined the term but we should narrow it down

My was borderline unless I was prepared and over 5000rpm 120hp ish and 2700lbs.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:32 am In 0-60.
coined the term but we should narrow it down

Real 0-60 or magazine brake torque with rollout on prepped surface with a pro driver 0-60?

I’d say 10 seconds 5-60 is unacceptable.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:02 am

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:32 am In 0-60.
coined the term but we should narrow it down

Real 0-60 or magazine brake torque with rollout on prepped surface with a pro driver 0-60?

I’d say 10 seconds 5-60 is unacceptable.

Oh boy ... Ok use the slower of the 2.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:02 am

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:32 am In 0-60.
coined the term but we should narrow it down

Real 0-60 or magazine brake torque with rollout on prepped surface with a pro driver 0-60?

I’d say 10 seconds 5-60 is unacceptable.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:05 am

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:02 am

Real 0-60 or magazine brake torque with rollout on prepped surface with a pro driver 0-60?

I’d say 10 seconds 5-60 is unacceptable.

Oh boy ... Ok use the slower of the 2.

I think my ideal is 8 sec or less 0-60 in normal mode just mash it from a stop light with a pretzel in one hand.

Anything 9 or over.

Honestly, everything should be able to be in the 6's these days.... maybe the 7's.... but I wouldn't buy them, I merge too much.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:10 am

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:05 am

Oh boy ... Ok use the slower of the 2.

I think my ideal is 8 sec or less 0-60 in normal mode just mash it from a stop light with a pretzel in one hand.

Right but the question is around dangerously slow

11 seconds. But that's not American's pussy foot acceleration, that's lets floor this bitchhhhhhh

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:12 am

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:10 am

I think my ideal is 8 sec or less 0-60 in normal mode just mash it from a stop light with a pretzel in one hand.

Right but the question is around dangerously slow

10 sec in that scenario.

I voted greater than 10 seconds these days. It's all relative though, isn't it? 36 years ago when the M1 came out in Murica the car mags were all about a sub-10 second 0-60. (C&D clocked it at 9.7). But when supercars were doing it in the 7's, sub-10 was respectable.

Nowadays, as said above, most things should be around sub-7 to be at least somewhat interesting,

If it’s not sub 3 seconds, why even bother? Full time

wap wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:56 am I voted greater than 10 seconds these days. It's all relative though, isn't it? 36 years ago when the M1 came out in Murica the car mags were all about a sub-10 second 0-60. (C&D clocked it at 9.7). But when supercars were doing it in the 7's, sub-10 was respectable.

Nowadays, as said above, most things should be around sub-7 to be at least somewhat interesting,

I voted 11+ because in the real world you never need the zero part.

Even shitty on ramps, pull half a g ffs and rev it out and you will merge at highway speed

Also, my car might be doing a 8 second 0-60 right now. Maybe more. No real boost happening. You know what? It's still not dangerously slow.

I went > 12 seconds. I DDed a Bang Bus for 90K miles that was over 20 and it was definitely scary/sucky at times but I never failed to merge and never wrecked. Granted, something like that vehicle requires a lot more focus and planning ahead than your average , but I'd be surprised if most have ever accelerated to 60 in under 12 seconds in their lives, regardless of vehicle. Most merge issues are caused by fucking Instagramming dumbass or slowing down instead of getting on the throttle while merging. Moar powah won't solve that.

Not surprised that >10 is so popular.

ok, so at first I was at 15 second is

Then I look back at the first "new" car I deemed to slow to be safe.

The Ford Fiesta in 2014. 5 speed

I pulled out safely in front of traffic. Tons of room on a 60 mph highway... It was a dog... Also had 3 people in it which added to the experience Id say.

So the published 0-60 from MT is 9.5 seconds. i'll say it was easily over 10 seconds in that scenario. I am changing my answer.

For a bench mark. The 1983/84 GTI was 8.3 seconds on 1983 tires...

Dang. I can't change mah vote!

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:22 pm I went > 12 seconds. I DDed a Bang Bus for 90K miles that was over 20 and it was definitely scary/sucky at times but I never failed to merge and never wrecked. Granted, something like that vehicle requires a lot more focus and planning ahead than your average , but I'd be surprised if most have ever accelerated to 60 in under 12 seconds in their lives, regardless of vehicle. Most merge issues are caused by fucking Instagramming dumbass or slowing down instead of getting on the throttle while merging. Moar powah won't solve that.

same as me. don't rage merge... i'd say most "normal" merges take 20-30 seconds... so I don't see the danger... the "danger" comes maybe... from being at 10k feet elevation + 4 people + luggage + trying to pass at an incline... scenario...

My 10 second 0-60 TDI was certainly not too slow, I drove that thing 75k miles.

Id say anything 8 or less is dangerously slow. But I mean, all kinds of people in LA rolling in Suburu Outbacks that do 0-60 in like 10 sec real world with the continuously vadge trans and they all live.. People in LA love those Outbacks. It tells people around them "I'M ACTIVE! I am TOTES going to take this AF to Brochella and camp at 'J-Tree' on the way".

Your egg car didn't feel slow because it had torque. So while 0-60 was slow, you always had torque on demand so on the highway it prob felt fine. 0-60 is misleading Max, and this will not stand.

dubshow wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:09 pm ok, so at first I was at 15 second is

Then I look back at the first "new" car I deemed to slow to be safe.

The Ford Fiesta in 2014. 5 speed

I pulled out safely in front of traffic. Tons of room on a 60 mph highway... It was a dog... Also had 3 people in it which added to the experience Id say.

So the published 0-60 from MT is 9.5 seconds. i'll say it was easily over 10 seconds in that scenario. I am changing my answer.

For a bench mark. The 1983/84 GTI was 8.3 seconds on 1983 tires...

As I stated above, C&D had it at 9.7. I couldn't find their road test archived but I just finally threw away the magazine a few months ago so I read it recently.

Here's R&T's test from 1983. And FYI, they were always slower than C&D back in the day:. Also, to my point above about perspective, check out their reaction to the acceleration, and how it compares to sport sedans of the day.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/f ... abbit-gti/

And what performance would we be buying? How about 10.6 seconds for 0-60 mph? Or a quarter-mile time of 17.7 seconds at 76.0 mph? For a 2200-lb car with a
1.8-liter engine, this is performance that gives grown men and women toothy smiles and enormous grins. The last Rabbit we tested ("Four Front-Wheel- Drive
Sedans," February 1981) was the quickest car in that comparison test with a 0-60 mph time of 12.6 seconds and a quarter-mile run of 18.7 seconds at 71.0
mph (the other three cars were a Ford Escort, Honda Accord, and Mazda GLC). At 10.6 seconds for 0-60, the Rabbit GTI will put a lot of more expensive cars
to shame—such as the Audi Coupe (11.2) or the BMW 320i (11.1), as well as running a very close second to a Saab 900 Turbo (10.0).

Actually dangerous? Maybe 20+ seconds.

Too slow for me to buy? More like 8+ seconds, ideally I'd get something in the 5.x bracket.

wap wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:41 pm

dubshow wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:09 pm ok, so at first I was at 15 second is

Then I look back at the first "new" car I deemed to slow to be safe.

The Ford Fiesta in 2014. 5 speed

I pulled out safely in front of traffic. Tons of room on a 60 mph highway... It was a dog... Also had 3 people in it which added to the experience Id say.

So the published 0-60 from MT is 9.5 seconds. i'll say it was easily over 10 seconds in that scenario. I am changing my answer.

For a bench mark. The 1983/84 GTI was 8.3 seconds on 1983 tires...

As I stated above, C&D had it at 9.7. I couldn't find their road test archived but I just finally threw away the magazine a few months ago so I read it recently.

Here's R&T's test from 1983. And FYI, they were always slower than C&D back in the day:. Also, to my point above about perspective, check out their reaction to the acceleration, and how it compares to sport sedans of the day.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/f ... abbit-gti/

And what performance would we be buying? How about 10.6 seconds for 0-60 mph? Or a quarter-mile time of 17.7 seconds at 76.0 mph? For a 2200-lb car with a
1.8-liter engine, this is performance that gives grown men and women toothy smiles and enormous grins. The last Rabbit we tested ("Four Front-Wheel- Drive
Sedans," February 1981) was the quickest car in that comparison test with a 0-60 mph time of 12.6 seconds and a quarter-mile run of 18.7 seconds at 71.0
mph (the other three cars were a Ford Escort, Honda Accord, and Mazda GLC). At 10.6 seconds for 0-60, the Rabbit GTI will put a lot of more expensive cars
to shame—such as the Audi Coupe (11.2) or the BMW 320i (11.1), as well as running a very close second to a Saab 900 Turbo (10.0).

How did people live back then. How did they survive...

I don’t really want anything over 8 seconds to 60, but that doesn’t make those cars dangerously slow... just less fun. I am also a privileged wealthy white male and can afford to waste money on non slow cars, they’re very much a luxury item.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:11 pm

wap wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:41 pm


As I stated above, C&D had it at 9.7. I couldn't find their road test archived but I just finally threw away the magazine a few months ago so I read it recently.

Here's R&T's test from 1983. And FYI, they were always slower than C&D back in the day:. Also, to my point above about perspective, check out their reaction to the acceleration, and how it compares to sport sedans of the day.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/f ... abbit-gti/

How did people live back then. How did they survive...

They didn't. It was daily mass carnage on the nation's highways. Rivers of blood and everything.