Re: Democratic Socialists
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:57 pm
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Democratic Socialists
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:33 pm
Bernie still 
Re: Democratic Socialists
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:35 pm
Apex wrote:Bernie still
A gun in every hand would solve it all. Everyone gets one bullet, use it wisely.
Democratic Socialists
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:43 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:35 pmApex wrote:Bernie still
A gun in every hand would solve it all. Everyone gets one bullet, use it wisely.
Democratic Socialists
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:58 am
[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:41 am Hot take:
The only path to return to Republic/Democratic Capitalism is via Democratic Socialism.
We are not currently Democratic Capitalism. We are some form of Federalist Corporatist government/economy. As one that advocates for true libertarianism, we lack the transparency of information to get there. To get that transparency of information you need to break the back of the current structure. Government isn't our current issue, irresponsible and unanswerable corporations are. For capitalism to function properly, you need democracy of resources and information. As they say in New England, you can't get there from here.
Democratic Socialism would bre a hard break from our current system and would allow the democratization of information. You'd need to stabilize in that system for a bit THEN hard break again into capitalism. It would be extraordinarily costly for folks like me, and I also think it would be well worth it for my children and the larger moral good. Andrew Yang likely had the most straightforward and well developed plan to do so.
Moral Democratic Capitalism is possible, we just can't get there from here. Democratic Socialism is way closer to true capitalism than we have right now.
I like it.
As someone for who it would also be pretty pricey, I'm all for it. Provided it is done appropriately and everyone benefits to the greater good. I'm hesitant to believe that our system is capable of allowing the revolution that would be required to make is successful.
I'm not all about giving government as it exists now more money, because they can't manage the money I give them now. Example: PA's horrid roads.
Democratic Socialists
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:08 pm
Nail on the head. Nothing should be too big to fail. Sort out your own shit.[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:00 pm Great example from just today about how we aren't capitalistic right now but Corporatist
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/let-t ... out-people
Re: Democratic Socialists
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:12 pm
Can you define that?[user not found] wrote:Moral Democratic Capitalism is possible
Apparently I don't know what capitalism means. I generally equate it with anarchy, survival of the fittest, etc. Having any kind of laws should be unnecessary, bad behavior will be discouraged by the market. All we need for everything to be perfect is to throw out the rulebook and let the market decide it all organically. He who has the most capital is the most right.
Democratic Socialists
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:41 pm
[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:41 am Hot take:
The only path to return to Republic/Democratic Capitalism is via Democratic Socialism.
We are not currently Democratic Capitalism. We are some form of Federalist Corporatist government/economy. As one that advocates for true libertarianism, we lack the transparency of information to get there. To get that transparency of information you need to break the back of the current structure. Government isn't our current issue, irresponsible and unanswerable corporations are. For capitalism to function properly, you need democracy of resources and information. As they say in New England, you can't get there from here.
Democratic Socialism would bre a hard break from our current system and would allow the democratization of information. You'd need to stabilize in that system for a bit THEN hard break again into capitalism. It would be extraordinarily costly for folks like me, and I also think it would be well worth it for my children and the larger moral good. Andrew Yang likely had the most straightforward and well developed plan to do so.
Moral Democratic Capitalism is possible, we just can't get there from here. Democratic Socialism is way closer to true capitalism than we have right now.
hard break back? Seems to me this presupposes that capitalism can not exist in a Democratic Socialist society. They coexist just fine in most of the rest of the world. Or is this again a matter of definition?
Re: Democratic Socialists
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:44 pm
How is a market truly free if it's full of rules? In a truly free market, I could kill you to take your capital. You could pay someone to protect you, but no one would otherwise be obligated to do so.
Re: Democratic Socialists
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:47 pm
To use a less sinister example, in a truly free market you could pay me to do something and I would in no way be obligated to actually do it. Your recourse would be to spread word of my misdeeds - or, of course, to take your capital back by force.
Democratic Socialists
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:16 pm
[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:02 pmPhilosophical difference. Absolutely they exist "just fine" in the rest of the world but, my philosophy is, a properly constructed capitalist market can out perform and provide a better life.
Based on
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? Can you point to one country that has a "properly" (whatever that is) constructed capitalist market? I can point to many where a capitalist economy exists very well in a Socialist society. As you said, it's a matter of spectra.
Democratic Socialists
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:35 pm
So it doesn't sound like it would be that drastic a swing then, in your scenario above.[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:19 pmNo, but not through in ability. It's simply never been attempted. On the spectrum, this would be way closer to European Social Capitalism than it would be to U.S. Corporatism.
