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Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:10 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:07 pm

I never understood the point of electric cars with double digit ranges. I mean yea... "everyone drives less than 50 miles a day" type scenarios but that essentially confines the car to a city.

Pure EVs with double digit ranges make zero sense. Hell, anything with less than 300 miles range is a tough sell in a lot of the country IMO.

I dunno 300 miles range is actually found in a lot of vehicles, my m3 is 300, m2 is 250, RX8 is 200, WRX STI is 200-240 tops. All the AMG benzes are sub 300 as well. IMO 200 or less is not ok. That means 2x a week getting gas for most people. Some say I do. Gas stations are and you have to deal with the scum that roams around putting $5 cash in a tank every other day.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:14 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:10 pm
Pure EVs with double digit ranges make zero sense. Hell, anything with less than 300 miles range is a tough sell in a lot of the country IMO.

I dunno 300 miles range is actually found in a lot of vehicles, my m3 is 300, m2 is 250, RX8 is 200, WRX STI is 200-240 tops. All the AMG benzes are sub 300 as well. IMO 200 or less is not ok. That means 2x a week getting gas for most people. Some say I do. Gas stations are and you have to deal with the scum that roams around putting $5 cash in a tank every other day.

You should buy fuel by the barrel and fill at your so you don't have to deal with people.

Apex wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:16 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:14 pm

I dunno 300 miles range is actually found in a lot of vehicles, my m3 is 300, m2 is 250, RX8 is 200, WRX STI is 200-240 tops. All the AMG benzes are sub 300 as well. IMO 200 or less is not ok. That means 2x a week getting gas for most people. Some say I do. Gas stations are and you have to deal with the scum that roams around putting $5 cash in a tank every other day.

You should buy fuel by the barrel and fill at your so you don't have to deal with people.

That's a big draw for electric cars. You never have to set foot into those shithole places ever again. Fuel at home or with "normal" folk at superchargers or whatnot.

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:17 pm What's the range on an eGolf?

125 miles

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:14 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:10 pm
Pure EVs with double digit ranges make zero sense. Hell, anything with less than 300 miles range is a tough sell in a lot of the country IMO.

I dunno 300 miles range is actually found in a lot of vehicles, my m3 is 300, m2 is 250, RX8 is 200, WRX STI is 200-240 tops. All the AMG benzes are sub 300 as well. IMO 200 or less is not ok. That means 2x a week getting gas for most people. Some say I do. Gas stations are and you have to deal with the scum that roams around putting $5 cash in a tank every other day.

Yea, but gas stations are everywhere and it's fast to "add range". Can't do that with an EV. I think EVs need more range than gas cars until the infrastructure gets there.

We've got a number of nice gas stations around, no need to deal with scum.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:18 pm

Apex wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:16 pm

You should buy fuel by the barrel and fill at your so you don't have to deal with people.

That's a big draw for electric cars. You never have to set foot into those shithole places ever again. Fuel at home or with "normal" folk at superchargers or whatnot.

Superchargers are for Teslas only. What good does that do for widespread industry adoption?

[user not found] wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:25 pm So, how long until gasoline vehicle values plummet in favor of eVehicles? Except Porsches, of course - because they'll just continue to appreciate.

The next carpocalypse looms.

https://jalopnik.com/all-next-gen-porsc ... 1832899395

This is both great and stupid at the same time.

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[user not found] wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:25 pm So, how long until gasoline vehicle values plummet in favor of eVehicles? Except Porsches, of course - because they'll just continue to appreciate.

The next carpocalypse looms.

https://jalopnik.com/all-next-gen-porsc ... 1832899395

We've got a long time. 15 years plus.

Where's the infrastructure? Plus, charging tech isn't there to make topping up range fast enough yet.

I'm talking about mass adoption here. Sure, we'll see lots more EV stuff, and that's fine and well. But when you can actually buy a 300 mile range EV for $30k and top up the range anywhere in under 10 minutes then we'll talk about mass adoption. That's going to take decades.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:25 pm So, how long until gasoline vehicle values plummet in favor of eVehicles? Except Porsches, of course - because they'll just continue to appreciate.

The next carpocalypse looms.

https://jalopnik.com/all-next-gen-porsc ... 1832899395

80% of porsches sold are soul sucking SUVs. It isn't a sport car company anymore. Of course that will go electric because those consumers want a POD+Lectric. They will likely base it on the Etron

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:24 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:14 pm

I dunno 300 miles range is actually found in a lot of vehicles, my m3 is 300, m2 is 250, RX8 is 200, WRX STI is 200-240 tops. All the AMG benzes are sub 300 as well. IMO 200 or less is not ok. That means 2x a week getting gas for most people. Some say I do. Gas stations are and you have to deal with the scum that roams around putting $5 cash in a tank every other day.

Yea, but gas stations are everywhere and it's fast to "add range". Can't do that with an EV. I think EVs need more range than gas cars until the infrastructure gets there.

We've got a number of nice gas stations around, no need to deal with scum.

Adding range is irrelevant when you can charge at home. I don't understand the point of "going to a gas station" as an advantage, it is nowhere near as convenient as charging at home.

Road trips are a whole different story.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:30 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:24 pm
Yea, but gas stations are everywhere and it's fast to "add range". Can't do that with an EV. I think EVs need more range than gas cars until the infrastructure gets there.

We've got a number of nice gas stations around, no need to deal with scum.

Adding range is irrelevant when you can charge at home. I don't understand the point of "going to a gas station" as an advantage, it is nowhere near as convenient as charging at home.

Road trips are a whole different story.

I do very frequent 300+ mile road trips to relatively remote areas. I can't even consider a pure EV at this time.

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:24 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:14 pm

I dunno 300 miles range is actually found in a lot of vehicles, my m3 is 300, m2 is 250, RX8 is 200, WRX STI is 200-240 tops. All the AMG benzes are sub 300 as well. IMO 200 or less is not ok. That means 2x a week getting gas for most people. Some say I do. Gas stations are and you have to deal with the scum that roams around putting $5 cash in a tank every other day.

Yea, but gas stations are everywhere and it's fast to "add range". Can't do that with an EV. I think EVs need more range than gas cars until the infrastructure gets there.

We've got a number of nice gas stations around, no need to deal with scum.

I've never dealt with "scum" at a gas station before. Must be doing it

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:32 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:30 pm
Adding range is irrelevant when you can charge at home. I don't understand the point of "going to a gas station" as an advantage, it is nowhere near as convenient as charging at home.

Road trips are a whole different story.

I do very frequent 300+ mile road trips to relatively remote areas. I can't even consider a pure EV at this time.

Right, no arguing road trips. There is little infrastructure for this outside of superchargers. And even those take a long ass time compared to anything else.

But for me at least, flying is so damn cheap that road trips are not a convenient source for transport.

Apex wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:37 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:24 pm
Yea, but gas stations are everywhere and it's fast to "add range". Can't do that with an EV. I think EVs need more range than gas cars until the infrastructure gets there.

We've got a number of nice gas stations around, no need to deal with scum.

I've never dealt with "scum" at a gas station before. Must be doing it

You have never had a hooker approach you?
NO one asked you for a $1 to "get home" ?
Never experienced a loud obnoxious vehicle with tons of smoke coming from the owner/operator ?

I must live on the moon then.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:39 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:32 pm
I do very frequent 300+ mile road trips to relatively remote areas. I can't even consider a pure EV at this time.

Right, no arguing road trips. There is little infrastructure for this outside of superchargers. And even those take a long ass time compared to anything else.

But for me at least, flying is so damn cheap that road trips are not a convenient source for transport.

It all depends on personal use. I go places that you can't fly to. But I like being in the middle of nowhere because I hate people.

The issue is all the people that think they go on a on of road trips and won't consider EV's as a result. That's going to be a big hurdle.

I still think plug-ins are the answer in the short term. I'm really curious to see what the Wrangler plug-in looks like.

CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:19 am

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:36 am I think the proportions of the CLA are pretty jacked. IMO they're not good looking cars. Haven't seen the new one or the A class or whatever. But I'd have a hard time picking one of those when you could get a gorgeous CPO C class for likely less.

I never liked the CLA either. I think they're ugly and have a squatting ass that doesn't look like it was designed for the car, it looks like a transplant.. butt implant?? Lastly, I wouldn't want to buy the MB that is marketed as the Toyota Camry of MB cars. I would much rather GTI or Golf before a CLA every day of the week.

All of this X 20 Billion. The CLA should be relegated to the Central Mongolian market.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:40 pm

Apex wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:37 pm



I've never dealt with "scum" at a gas station before. Must be doing it

You have never had a hooker approach you?
NO one asked you for a $1 to "get home" ?
Never experienced a loud obnoxious vehicle with tons of smoke coming from the owner/operator ?

I must live on the moon then.

Nope, but I'm also selective about the gas stations I go to. The worst I've ever had is a homeless dude try to wash my windshield...and it was dirty so I let him and gave him a dollar. He was happy, I was happy, good deal.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:40 pm

Apex wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:37 pm



I've never dealt with "scum" at a gas station before. Must be doing it

You have never had a hooker approach you?
NO one asked you for a $1 to "get home" ?
Never experienced a loud obnoxious vehicle with tons of smoke coming from the owner/operator ?

I must live on the moon then.

Nope. I roll my window down, tell the attendant to fill it, and wait for my tank to fill up. Once done, I get my receipt and drive off.

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:42 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:40 pm

You have never had a hooker approach you?
NO one asked you for a $1 to "get home" ?
Never experienced a loud obnoxious vehicle with tons of smoke coming from the owner/operator ?

I must live on the moon then.

Nope, but I'm also selective about the gas stations I go to. The worst I've ever had is a homeless dude try to wash my windshield...and it was dirty so I let him and gave him a dollar. He was happy, I was happy, good deal.

this never happens. I hate people as well and gas stations force interactions occasionally, it doesn't happen every time, but it happens occasionally enough where it is a detriment.

I don't have hookers/beggars at home, well occasionally I do but that's a different story, those are invited guests.

Apex wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:43 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:40 pm

You have never had a hooker approach you?
NO one asked you for a $1 to "get home" ?
Never experienced a loud obnoxious vehicle with tons of smoke coming from the owner/operator ?

I must live on the moon then.

Nope. I roll my window down, tell the attendant to fill it, and wait for my tank to fill up. Once done, I get my receipt and drive off.

What's an attendant?

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:44 pm

Apex wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:43 pm

Nope. I roll my window down, tell the attendant to fill it, and wait for my tank to fill up. Once done, I get my receipt and drive off.

What's an attendant?

We're full service in Jersey; they pump the gas for you.

Apex wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:45 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:44 pm

What's an attendant?

We're full service in Jersey; they pump the gas for you.

I was I am familiar with this 1930s concept, it was a strange thing when I was rolling through Oregon.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:49 pm

Apex wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:45 pm

We're full service in Jersey; they pump the gas for you.

I was I am familiar with this 1930s concept, it was a strange thing when I was rolling through Oregon.

Oh

Davestr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:28 pm Truck Yeah
Truck Buyers in the U.S. Are Paying 61 Percent More for Their Pickups Than a Decade Ago

https://jalopnik.com/truck-buyers-in-th ... 1832867969

More retarded news.
$44,000 today is equal to $36,900 in 2009.
People are paying 13.5% more. But they're getting a much better, more capable, more standard features vehicle.