DFD

Vulva up 40%
VW up 33%
Chevy up 17%
Toyota up 17%
Mitsubishi up 18% to 8k vehicles... they are still making cars ?
Porsche up 12%
Subaru flat
Jeep down 4% Dem Compass/Patriot fake sales are really causing havoc in their total brand sales now that they are gone.

Alfa Moved 1200 vehicles... Giulia seems to be doing ok?!

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/1 ... -2017-ytd/

Overall a month for the Big 2 and worst brand on earth (is suffering thanks to lapping a year with car sales/no more cheap pos)as well as the Orientals.
Germans are not doing too great. BMW/MB Flat.

The Toyota RAV4 topped 42,000 sales for a second consecutive month, leading a booming SUV/crossover class.

For DAVE!

I want an SRT 392. I will either get that or the Daytona 392 Scat Pack as next car

I just read that VW's extended warranty got bumped across their whole product line. Why for?

razr390 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:14 pm I want an SRT 392. I will either get that or the Daytona 392 Scat Pack as next car

Acid666 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:23 pm I just read that VW's extended warranty got bumped across their whole product line. Why for?

Because VeeDub?

Apex wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:38 pm

Acid666 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:23 pm I just read that VW's extended warranty got bumped across their whole product line. Why for?

Because VeeDub?

https://blog.caranddriver.com/volkswage ... re-lineup/

Acid666 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:23 pm I just read that VW's extended warranty got bumped across their whole product line. Why for?

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:01 pm Chevy up 17%

razr390 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:14 pm I want an SRT 392. I will either get that or the Daytona 392 Scat Pack as next car

They are not cheap to own at all. The Neek special is around 15k cheaper

Melon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:47 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:01 pm Chevy up 17%

razr390 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:14 pm I want an SRT 392. I will either get that or the Daytona 392 Scat Pack as next car

That shit would be perfect in Florida.

I am in the nation's apparent lack of

End is near for Subaru. I think it's just that other companies have been having all out Crazy Bob fire sales and 0%/96mo financing type bs.

Melon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:47 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:01 pm Chevy up 17%

This actually had me balling at my desk.
I said it out loud in his weird ass voice. HAHAHHA

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:52 pm I am in the nation's apparent lack of

End is near for Subaru. I think it's just that other companies have been having all out Crazy Bob fire sales and 0%/96mo financing type bs.

Subaru hasn't had a new product in a while. Combine that with no s, and being flat in the face of everyone else going on s is , really.

Subaru is fine. The brand is bulletproof.

I do think that Sept. will be an outlier due to spending and boost from natural disasters (thoughts and prayers). End of quarter push, etc. October will probably be down, and then December will be nuts.

With any luck, next year we'll see modest YOY declines with spending reigned in a bit.

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:00 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:52 pm I am in the nation's apparent lack of

End is near for Subaru. I think it's just that other companies have been having all out Crazy Bob fire sales and 0%/96mo financing type bs.

Subaru hasn't had a new product in a while. Combine that with no s, and being flat in the face of everyone else going on s is , really.

Subaru is fine. The brand is bulletproof.

True. The recent crosstrek/impreza updates seem to be selling well. And they have that big SUV thing coming on next year.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:05 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:00 pm
Subaru hasn't had a new product in a while. Combine that with no s, and being flat in the face of everyone else going on s is , really.

Subaru is fine. The brand is bulletproof.

True. The recent crosstrek/impreza updates seem to be selling well. And they have that big SUV thing coming on next year.

Isn't the Forester and Outback ancient? The fact that they continue to sell in any real volume is too.

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:07 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:05 pm

True. The recent crosstrek/impreza updates seem to be selling well. And they have that big SUV thing coming on next year.

Isn't the Forester and Outback ancient? The fact that they continue to sell in any real volume is too.

2014 model year was the last major revision to the Forester. But I don't think it's had a major chassis revision since 2009. The 2014 update was more of an interior refresh, new bumpers, new engines and trans. But call it 3 years old. if that qualifies as ancient.

Legacy is basically the same age-wise. Based on a 5-6 year product cycle they won't get major changes until 2019/2020. I'd imagine some infotainment / powertrain / whatever type updates in between. But that means you should hear about new ones next year.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:19 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:07 pm
Isn't the Forester and Outback ancient? The fact that they continue to sell in any real volume is too.

2014 model year was the last major revision to the Forester. But I don't think it's had a major chassis revision since 2009. The 2014 update was more of an interior refresh, new bumpers, new engines and trans. But call it 3 years old. if that qualifies as ancient.

Legacy is basically the same age-wise. Based on a 5-6 year product cycle they won't get major changes until 2019/2020. I'd imagine some infotainment / powertrain / whatever type updates in between. But that means you should hear about new ones next year.

Usually, 3 years after a facelift, a vehicle gets a full redesign. Maybe Subi doesn't need to do that.

I might just get a Golf R egg too. have to weigh out my options.

Guys Subarus do plenty of discounting. They are not unicorns, they just have far better MSRPs than most. So the discounting isn't as apparent. Also they are running 0/72 financing alone with others.

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:07 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:05 pm

True. The recent crosstrek/impreza updates seem to be selling well. And they have that big SUV thing coming on next year.

Isn't the Forester and Outback ancient? The fact that they continue to sell in any real volume is too.

People scoop them up out here, about the rest of the country

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:19 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:07 pm
Isn't the Forester and Outback ancient? The fact that they continue to sell in any real volume is too.

2014 model year was the last major revision to the Forester. But I don't think it's had a major chassis revision since 2009. The 2014 update was more of an interior refresh, new bumpers, new engines and trans. But call it 3 years old. if that qualifies as ancient.

Legacy is basically the same age-wise. Based on a 5-6 year product cycle they won't get major changes until 2019/2020. I'd imagine some infotainment / powertrain / whatever type updates in between. But that means you should hear about new ones next year.

There were at least some chassis updates for 2014. It went from not passing the small overlap tests to getting a Good grade or whatever in 2014. I thought it was an all new chassis (same w/the WRX for 2015), but maybe it was just a revision.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:37 pm Guys Subarus do plenty of discounting. They are not unicorns, they just have far better MSRPs than most. So the discounting isn't as apparent. Also they are running 0/72 financing alone with others.

False.

Subaru spent 5.9% (as a % of MSRP) while the industry spend 13% on average. In fact, Subaru spent the least out of mainstream brands. Toyota spent 10.7% and Honda spent 8.2%.

Subaru ATP was 22k average, while the industry was 31k. They also don't have any vehicles larger than midsize to drive up the ATP...which is even more amazing that spending is so low because nobody wants smaller cars these days.

Subaru's flat performance despite the madness of everyone else is No way around that. Regardless of MSRP correction or whatever you want to blame, people are driven by s lately. There's something to be said for inflating MSRP and discounting down to drive sales it seems but Subaru doesn't have to do that.