it's under warranty and at least THEY FUCKING FIX THE GOD DAMN CAR UNLIKE BMW hereDetroit wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:24 pmDrive unit issues,max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:14 pm B2B is 4/50
Also the Model S and X have UNLIMITED warranty for miles for the engine/battery for 8 years.
Based on what I read one thing about tesla batteries unlike iphone batteries is the fact that they last a very long time... they are at 85% + after 100k miles.
Lets talk about Tesla.
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That's what's going to get the company in the long run
Warranty is very expensive.
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Market cap of 60 billion... seems like they raised enough capital to "Afford it". What they can't afford however is building cars in fremont, where an average 2000 sq ft house costs 1.8Million dollars. The land the factory is sitting on is likely worth 100billion $ at current values, also, their logistics, dealer network is likely burning through cash like crazy, as well as the workers making 2x the salary of the average japanese/detroit blue collar dudes and likely 10x the average Mexican.
But they are going to build them in china soon enough. now that that factory is being built... and it'll be competitive.
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Hard to say. When tariffs add 25%+ to the cost, is it still competitive?max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:31 pmMarket cap of 60 billion... seems like they raised enough capital to "Afford it". What they can't afford however is building cars in fremont, where an average 2000 sq ft house costs 1.8Million dollars. The land the factory is sitting on is likely worth 100billion $ at current values, also, their logistics, dealer network is likely burning through cash like crazy, as well as the workers making 2x the salary of the average japanese/detroit blue collar dudes and likely 10x the average Mexican.
But they are going to build them in china soon enough. now that that factory is being built... and it'll be competitive.
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Considering how they are blowing money here. I'd say :yeth: I really wonder why they didn't just invade Detroit and pour some much needed money into it 8 years ago. Then again it was "cheap" back then here as well.Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:36 pmHard to say. When tariffs add 25%+ to the cost, is it still competitive?max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:31 pm
Market cap of 60 billion... seems like they raised enough capital to "Afford it". What they can't afford however is building cars in fremont, where an average 2000 sq ft house costs 1.8Million dollars. The land the factory is sitting on is likely worth 100billion $ at current values, also, their logistics, dealer network is likely burning through cash like crazy, as well as the workers making 2x the salary of the average japanese/detroit blue collar dudes and likely 10x the average Mexican.
But they are going to build them in china soon enough. now that that factory is being built... and it'll be competitive.
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They got the Fremont plant for free didn't they? Talk about a great deal.
Could have owned Detroit
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I wish one or two of the OEMs sort of reigned in tesla when they were cheap enough instead of wasting fucking money on shit like Scooter companies, bicycle companies, and CRUZ
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A joint venture/agreement between Ford/GM Could have easily coughed up the 20billion Tesla was worth 4 years ago, and get their hands on real battery/autonomous tech vs the half-assed 8 year too late BS happening now. But they were all too focused on their balance sheets which don't fking matter as everyone treats them as shitty penny stock, Fraud is just getting destroyed right now.
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At some point, there has to be a reckoning for stock price to equal financial performance. The market has made no sense for the last number of years, once there's a serious correction, things must change.max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:43 pmI wish one or two of the OEMs sort of reigned in tesla when they were cheap enough instead of wasting fucking money on shit like Scooter companies, bicycle companies, and CRUZ
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A joint venture/agreement between Ford/GM Could have easily coughed up the 20billion Tesla was worth 4 years ago, and get their hands on real battery/autonomous tech vs the half-assed 8 year too late BS happening now. But they were all too focused on their balance sheets which don't fking matter as everyone treats them as shitty penny stock, Fraud is just getting destroyed right now.
Still, I agree that it was a major missed opportunity. Would have been wise, but would Elon have even considered it? Probably not. What makes Tesla great is not having to deal with the that weighs down these ancient companies.
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It doesn't matter whether he considered. Once you do a take over... you're doneskie. You're publically traded. Hostile takeover...Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:52 pmAt some point, there has to be a reckoning for stock price to equal financial performance. The market has made no sense for the last number of years, once there's a serious correction, things must change.max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:43 pm
I wish one or two of the OEMs sort of reigned in tesla when they were cheap enough instead of wasting fucking money on shit like Scooter companies, bicycle companies, and CRUZ
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A joint venture/agreement between Ford/GM Could have easily coughed up the 20billion Tesla was worth 4 years ago, and get their hands on real battery/autonomous tech vs the half-assed 8 year too late BS happening now. But they were all too focused on their balance sheets which don't fking matter as everyone treats them as shitty penny stock, Fraud is just getting destroyed right now.
Still, I agree that it was a major missed opportunity. Would have been wise, but would Elon have even considered it? Probably not. What makes Tesla great is not having to deal with the that weighs down these ancient companies.
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Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:24 pmDrive unit issues,max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:14 pm B2B is 4/50
Also the Model S and X have UNLIMITED warranty for miles for the engine/battery for 8 years.
Based on what I read one thing about tesla batteries unlike iphone batteries is the fact that they last a very long time... they are at 85% + after 100k miles.
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Oh, true.max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:54 pmIt doesn't matter whether he considered. Once you do a take over... you're doneskie. You're publically traded. Hostile takeover...Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:52 pm
At some point, there has to be a reckoning for stock price to equal financial performance. The market has made no sense for the last number of years, once there's a serious correction, things must change.
Still, I agree that it was a major missed opportunity. Would have been wise, but would Elon have even considered it? Probably not. What makes Tesla great is not having to deal with the that weighs down these ancient companies.
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Tesla has had an enormous amount of shit shoveled their way over the last 4 years...
Any CRASH is PUBlICIZED by the Fake New Networks their CEO is in the public limelight (partially due to his own fault) constantly.
Any "auto pilot" issue is like blown completely out of proportion
People talking shit about the "tent" etc etc
But it is what it is, their cars are undeniably amazing. And NOTHING so far came close.
I am glad they succeeded thus far.
Any CRASH is PUBlICIZED by the Fake New Networks their CEO is in the public limelight (partially due to his own fault) constantly.
Any "auto pilot" issue is like blown completely out of proportion
People talking shit about the "tent" etc etc
But it is what it is, their cars are undeniably amazing. And NOTHING so far came close.
I am glad they succeeded thus far.
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They should have bought into supercharger tech. That was retarded not to. Here’s a company building a country wide charging network but nope let’s make our own shit. If you could charge a Fraud at a supercharger you might consider it over a Bolt.Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:52 pmAt some point, there has to be a reckoning for stock price to equal financial performance. The market has made no sense for the last number of years, once there's a serious correction, things must change.max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:43 pm
I wish one or two of the OEMs sort of reigned in tesla when they were cheap enough instead of wasting fucking money on shit like Scooter companies, bicycle companies, and CRUZ
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A joint venture/agreement between Ford/GM Could have easily coughed up the 20billion Tesla was worth 4 years ago, and get their hands on real battery/autonomous tech vs the half-assed 8 year too late BS happening now. But they were all too focused on their balance sheets which don't fking matter as everyone treats them as shitty penny stock, Fraud is just getting destroyed right now.
Still, I agree that it was a major missed opportunity. Would have been wise, but would Elon have even considered it? Probably not. What makes Tesla great is not having to deal with the that weighs down these ancient companies.
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By all accounts I can find the model 3 is an absolutely incredible machine. I would love to own one.max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:56 pm Tesla has had an enormous amount of shit shoveled their way over the last 4 years...
Any CRASH is PUBlICIZED by the Fake New Networks their CEO is in the public limelight (partially due to his own fault) constantly.
Any "auto pilot" issue is like blown completely out of proportion
People talking shit about the "tent" etc etc
But it is what it is, their cars are undeniably amazing. And NOTHING so far came close.
I am glad they succeeded thus far.
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I have seriously considered a Model 3 Performance. If I didn't have the Corvette, I'd probably have one.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:59 pmBy all accounts I can find the model 3 is an absolutely incredible machine. I would love to own one.max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:56 pm Tesla has had an enormous amount of shit shoveled their way over the last 4 years...
Any CRASH is PUBlICIZED by the Fake New Networks their CEO is in the public limelight (partially due to his own fault) constantly.
Any "auto pilot" issue is like blown completely out of proportion
People talking shit about the "tent" etc etc
But it is what it is, their cars are undeniably amazing. And NOTHING so far came close.
I am glad they succeeded thus far.
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If tesla was branded as GM people would be loosing their minds.max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:43 pmI wish one or two of the OEMs sort of reigned in tesla when they were cheap enough instead of wasting fucking money on shit like Scooter companies, bicycle companies, and CRUZ
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A joint venture/agreement between Ford/GM Could have easily coughed up the 20billion Tesla was worth 4 years ago, and get their hands on real battery/autonomous tech vs the half-assed 8 year too late BS happening now. But they were all too focused on their balance sheets which don't fking matter as everyone treats them as shitty penny stock, Fraud is just getting destroyed right now.
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Jhiina = worlds single largest car market and the .gov there has a vested interest in electric cars because they’re sick of being the laughing stock of the world from their smog problems. He’d be a retard not to open a factory there.Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:36 pmHard to say. When tariffs add 25%+ to the cost, is it still competitive?max225 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:31 pm
Market cap of 60 billion... seems like they raised enough capital to "Afford it". What they can't afford however is building cars in fremont, where an average 2000 sq ft house costs 1.8Million dollars. The land the factory is sitting on is likely worth 100billion $ at current values, also, their logistics, dealer network is likely burning through cash like crazy, as well as the workers making 2x the salary of the average japanese/detroit blue collar dudes and likely 10x the average Mexican.
But they are going to build them in china soon enough. now that that factory is being built... and it'll be competitive.
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Covered under warranty who cares. Paying out of pocket for massive costs blows. Lease the bitch because the tech moves way too fast at this point. If you can’t lease it buy with plans on dumping and getting new juan in 3.
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I've got ample charging opportunities, just too much rolling stock to liquidate first. Corvette isn't remotely marketable for 6 mos now. Volt would sell fast, but I rely on it. I missed the tax benefit, so now I stay with what I have.
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IIRC the tax Bennie is a ramp down not a cold cut off
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Indeed, it ramps down over the course of the year. Still, less incentive to make moves. I still love the Corvette, and I really like commuting in the Volt, so whatever. I'm more pleased than I should be with the current stable.
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The customer service would need to be