Jeeponomics 201: Toledo Griff

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Yay another 3 row monster ...

I still don’t understand how the average number of children went down over the last 40 years yet everyone “needs”. A 9 row suv

Body on frame 3-rows like this only exist for flexing. Customer data indicates that most people who buy Escalades and Navigators do it for the and not so much family hauling. Most have 2 or less kids.

DO YOU EVEN BIGGER IS BETTER BRO?

[Melon]

As far as domestic SUV's go, I really like what Lincoln has been cooking up.

[Melon]

[Melon]

Nautilus is meh inside, but I'd look at an Aviator real hard if I was in the market.

[D Griff]

As far as domestic SUV's go, I really like what Lincoln has been cooking up.

I sat in a number of Lincolns at the Auto Show here in Charlotte last year and was at the interior quality/design. They really blew Merc/BMW out of the water IMO.

[D Griff]

Yay another 3 row monster ...

I still don’t understand how the average number of children went down over the last 40 years yet everyone “needs”. A 9 row suv

Body on frame 3-rows like this only exist for flexing. Customer data indicates that most people who buy Escalades and Navigators do it for the and not so much family hauling. Most have 2 or less kids.

DO YOU EVEN BIGGER IS BETTER BRO?

They are popular with the rich blue collar people down here... people with successful plumbing/contracting/pool building/whatever businesses; typically they are southern natives and a bit redneck - they spend money on flash and also expensive toys like boats/ATVs which these vehicles can tow around.

Also, every >$200K family here owns a Tahoe/Suburban or something along those lines, it's a status symbol to have a SUV.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Body on frame 3-rows like this only exist for flexing. Customer data indicates that most people who buy Escalades and Navigators do it for the and not so much family hauling. Most have 2 or less kids.

DO YOU EVEN BIGGER IS BETTER BRO?

They are popular with the rich blue collar people down here... people with successful plumbing/contracting/pool building/whatever businesses; typically they are southern natives and a bit redneck - they spend money on flash and also expensive toys like boats/ATVs which these vehicles can tow around.

Also, every >$200K family here owns a Tahoe/Suburban or something along those lines, it's a status symbol to have a SUV.

Very few "need" it, but want it.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Aviator is incredible. how much Ford spent on that thing.

[max225]

Yay another 3 row monster ...

I still don’t understand how the average number of children went down over the last 40 years yet everyone “needs”. A 9 row suv

Body on frame 3-rows like this only exist for flexing. Customer data indicates that most people who buy Escalades and Navigators do it for the and not so much family hauling. Most have 2 or less kids.

DO YOU EVEN BIGGER IS BETTER BRO?

I drive a mini

[max225]

Body on frame 3-rows like this only exist for flexing. Customer data indicates that most people who buy Escalades and Navigators do it for the and not so much family hauling. Most have 2 or less kids.

DO YOU EVEN BIGGER IS BETTER BRO?

They are popular with the rich blue collar people down here... people with successful plumbing/contracting/pool building/whatever businesses; typically they are southern natives and a bit redneck - they spend money on flash and also expensive toys like boats/ATVs which these vehicles can tow around.

Also, every >$200K family here owns a Tahoe/Suburban or something along those lines, it's a status symbol to have a SUV.

A 200k family can’t afford a Suburban unless it’s 200k each ...

[max225]

As far as domestic SUV's go, I really like what Lincoln has been cooking up.

and their :dillership: s look amazing now

[D Griff]

They are popular with the rich blue collar people down here... people with successful plumbing/contracting/pool building/whatever businesses; typically they are southern natives and a bit redneck - they spend money on flash and also expensive toys like boats/ATVs which these vehicles can tow around.

Also, every >$200K family here owns a Tahoe/Suburban or something along those lines, it's a status symbol to have a SUV.

A 200k family can’t afford a Suburban unless it’s 200k each ...

the Bay Area is one city in a country with many more people. Average Joe's that live anywhere but LA, SF, NYC, Seattle, or DC with $200K household income are pretty damn rich. My household income is under that and we are rich and could easily go buy a new Suburban. Not saying it is bean counter approved, but it would be easy to do and cause no life backlash.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

A 200k family can’t afford a Suburban unless it’s 200k each ...

the Bay Area is one city in a country with many more people. Average Joe's that live anywhere but LA, SF, NYC, Seattle, or DC with $200K household income are pretty damn rich. My household income is under that and we are rich and could easily go buy a new Suburban. Not saying it is bean counter approved, but it would be easy to do and cause no life backlash.

[max225]

A 200k family can’t afford a Suburban unless it’s 200k each ...

the Bay Area is one city in a country with many more people. Average Joe's that live anywhere but LA, SF, NYC, Seattle, or DC with $200K household income are pretty damn rich. My household income is under that and we are rich and could easily go buy a new Suburban. Not saying it is bean counter approved, but it would be easy to do and cause no life backlash.

200k income with 2 kids and a house is nothing. Sure if you’re two single dudes making 200k and living in a $1200 a month Appartement then you can afford a 70k suv.
This has nothing to do with the Bay Area. Any decent urban area is about 350-500k for a house nowadays. I’d assume you want to house your near 100k vehicle In a garage.

Living paycheck to paycheck is not being able to “afford” anything. It’s a temporarily blip that may cause a relocation or liquidation of assets due to even the most minor distraction

[Devilchrono]

Another 3-row? Is it gonna be more Durango sized or be the size of the GW?

GW is body on frame and meant for towing and ultimate fancy. on the market for it, but margins are strong on that sort of vehicle, soooo

There's room for a more Durango sized unibody 3-row. That segment has exploded recently with the Teluride and redesigns of the Explorer and Highlander.

Interesting, and good to know. We really like the 'mid size' SUV segment, the size of the Durango. Anything bigger is just too much, honestly. And, while we still only have the 1 kiddo, no need for anything bigger until they're bigger now too. But, keeping an eye on the market/segment cause it's growing so rapidly.

[Devilchrono]

As far as domestic SUV's go, I really like what Lincoln has been cooking up.

I dig them, and so does the wife. They're just so much $$$, and there's still that 'stigma' that comes with them; same with Buick sadly too.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

GW is body on frame and meant for towing and ultimate fancy. on the market for it, but margins are strong on that sort of vehicle, soooo

There's room for a more Durango sized unibody 3-row. That segment has exploded recently with the Teluride and redesigns of the Explorer and Highlander.

Interesting, and good to know. We really like the 'mid size' SUV segment, the size of the Durango. Anything bigger is just too much, honestly. And, while we still only have the 1 kiddo, no need for anything bigger until they're bigger now too. But, keeping an eye on the market/segment cause it's growing so rapidly.

Mid SUVs are rapidly emerging as the new Minivan. Just the right size for most families, but not unwieldy.

[max225]

Interesting, and good to know. We really like the 'mid size' SUV segment, the size of the Durango. Anything bigger is just too much, honestly. And, while we still only have the 1 kiddo, no need for anything bigger until they're bigger now too. But, keeping an eye on the market/segment cause it's growing so rapidly.

Mid SUVs are rapidly emerging as the new Minivan. Just the right size for most families, but not unwieldy.

I would assume something like the Telluride is the market leader due to pricing/size. It maintains some level of affordability for most families

[Devilchrono]

Interesting, and good to know. We really like the 'mid size' SUV segment, the size of the Durango. Anything bigger is just too much, honestly. And, while we still only have the 1 kiddo, no need for anything bigger until they're bigger now too. But, keeping an eye on the market/segment cause it's growing so rapidly.

Mid SUVs are rapidly emerging as the new Minivan. Just the right size for most families, but not unwieldy.

That's why the wife likes them so much as well. Durango, Traverse, Explorer and Telluride all have the room she's looking for, in the size she wants, with the cargo capacity we need as a family when we travel. I like the size of them, and we both like the 3rd row. I'd love a larger SUV honestly, but the cost is stupid, and with only 1 kiddo, there's no need to go full

[ChrisoftheNorth]

As far as domestic SUV's go, I really like what Lincoln has been cooking up.

I dig them, and so does the wife. They're just so much $$$, and there's still that 'stigma' that comes with them; same with Buick sadly too.

Lincoln has massive progress to make with the brand. Ford invested insane money into the products, but the brand needs to catch up to command the prices. Unfortunately, premium brands are built over decades, not years. Unless you go full blast like Lexus did when launching in the 90's. As Max said, the dealer transformation has been but there's a lot more work to do.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Mid SUVs are rapidly emerging as the new Minivan. Just the right size for most families, but not unwieldy.

I would assume something like the Telluride is the market leader due to pricing/size. It maintains some level of affordability for most families

Volume pales in comparison to Highlander, Pilot, and even Grand Cherokee. BUT, demand for the Telluride is off the charts for the reasons you mentioned. I've read that Hyundai vastly underestimated demand for the product and are quite under capacity at the plant.

[max225]

I would assume something like the Telluride is the market leader due to pricing/size. It maintains some level of affordability for most families

Volume pales in comparison to Highlander, Pilot, and even Grand Cherokee. BUT, demand for the Telluride is off the charts for the reasons you mentioned. I've read that Hyundai vastly underestimated demand for the product and are quite under capacity at the plant.

Telluride is much bigger, no? Highlander would be a direct comparable though.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Mid SUVs are rapidly emerging as the new Minivan. Just the right size for most families, but not unwieldy.

That's why the wife likes them so much as well. Durango, Traverse, Explorer and Telluride all have the room she's looking for, in the size she wants, with the cargo capacity we need as a family when we travel. I like the size of them, and we both like the 3rd row. I'd love a larger SUV honestly, but the cost is stupid, and with only 1 kiddo, there's no need to go full

Yep, they're an ideal size for a family, hence the explosion in popularity. I've been working on the Jeep entrant for over a year now. I think it will be a strong player in the segment.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Volume pales in comparison to Highlander, Pilot, and even Grand Cherokee. BUT, demand for the Telluride is off the charts for the reasons you mentioned. I've read that Hyundai vastly underestimated demand for the product and are quite under capacity at the plant.

Telluride is much bigger, no? Highlander would be a direct comparable though.

Much bigger than what?

It's directly in line with Explorer, Highlander, Pilot, Ascent, etc...actually a tad smaller than the Traverse, which is the largest in the segment.

[max225]

Telluride is much bigger, no? Highlander would be a direct comparable though.

Much bigger than what?

It's directly in line with Explorer, Highlander, Pilot, Ascent, etc...actually a tad smaller than the Traverse, which is the largest in the segment.

Grand cherokee?