:plac: Finds: Show us your automotive goldmines

[troyguitar]

Its gotten better then. I remember reading about all sorts of shit at the 50k mark with radiators, water pumps, hoses etc needing to be replaced, and suspensions needing refreshing.

It was rarely that early... most of the time it was in the high 5 figures and almost guaranteed by low 6.

Suspensions... well those are hit and miss... I swear the BMW suspensions wear out much faster than other cars...

Audi front suspensions from B5 or so through current models might be the quickest to wear out, but they are a clever faux-double-wishbone design when they're in good shape.

[troyguitar]

They are fine. An RX8 on summers at 40F will outstop and handle any TRUK on the best day.

Stopping requires traction, which summer tires don't have when the HIGH is 40 (meaning the ground that the tires actually contact is much colder). I bet my would stop faster in a panic than an RX8 on Summers on a day when the high is 40.

You can drive on them and not die, sure...but it's not really a pleasant experience if you drive in traffic, etc.

Having double the mass means you'd probably lose that bet even though it might be close. Ice is the real problem, though even the best all seasons don't have much grip on ice so I guess you just have to hope you don't hit too much of it in too bad of a location.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Stopping requires traction, which summer tires don't have when the HIGH is 40 (meaning the ground that the tires actually contact is much colder). I bet my would stop faster in a panic than an RX8 on Summers on a day when the high is 40.

You can drive on them and not die, sure...but it's not really a pleasant experience if you drive in traffic, etc.

Having double the mass means you'd probably lose that bet even though it might be close. Ice is the real problem, though even the best all seasons don't have much grip on ice so I guess you just have to hope you don't hit too much of it in too bad of a location.

My truck has offroad tires that are winter rated with some serious siping. The winter snow/ice traction is crazy. It's actually somewhat tough to get it to break traction.

But the mass thing is real. I still think it would be super close. Tires make a massive difference on any car. Especially winter tires in the cold.

[Apex]

Having double the mass means you'd probably lose that bet even though it might be close. Ice is the real problem, though even the best all seasons don't have much grip on ice so I guess you just have to hope you don't hit too much of it in too bad of a location.

My truck has offroad tires that are winter rated with some serious siping. The winter snow/ice traction is crazy. It's actually somewhat tough to get it to break traction.

But the mass thing is real. I still think it would be super close. Tires make a massive difference on any car. Especially winter tires in the cold.

Duratrac's are beast mode in the winter.

But doesn't matter, it's a and is the devil.

[MexicanYarisTK]

wow, that's clean
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc ... 96569.html

Very cool. A V8 6 speed E34, the throwing stars are a nice touch. But as JP said, all the fun has been wrung out of that thing and its just cash aflame from here on out. 237K, runs like new? Sure pal.

Really hard to believe, another way to get rid of it to some that's gonna pull his hair out.

[Johnny_P]

Very cool. A V8 6 speed E34, the throwing stars are a nice touch. But as JP said, all the fun has been wrung out of that thing and its just cash aflame from here on out. 237K, runs like new? Sure pal.

Really hard to believe, another way to get rid of it to some that's gonna pull his hair out.

Oh it'll sell to some $15k millionaire Armenian

[troyguitar]

My truck has offroad tires that are winter rated with some serious siping. The winter snow/ice traction is crazy. It's actually somewhat tough to get it to break traction.

But the mass thing is real. I still think it would be super close. Tires make a massive difference on any car. Especially winter tires in the cold.

Duratrac's are beast mode in the winter.

But doesn't matter, it's a and is the devil.

Dat 1/2mv^2

[ChrisoftheNorth]

My truck has offroad tires that are winter rated with some serious siping. The winter snow/ice traction is crazy. It's actually somewhat tough to get it to break traction.

But the mass thing is real. I still think it would be super close. Tires make a massive difference on any car. Especially winter tires in the cold.

Duratrac's are beast mode in the winter.

But doesn't matter, it's a and is the devil.

Seriously. They're legit

[Apex]

Duratrac's are beast mode in the winter.

But doesn't matter, it's a and is the devil.

Dat 1/2mv^2

Traction makes no difference in this equation.

[MexicanYarisTK]

Really hard to believe, another way to get rid of it to some that's gonna pull his hair out.

Oh it'll sell to some $15k millionaire Armenian

that would be great in LA, then he'll fuck up the clutch and have even more problems that won't be the cars fault.

Some people from my country are also like that unfortunately

[Johnny_P]

Duratrac's are beast mode in the winter.

But doesn't matter, it's a and is the devil.

Seriously. They're legit

Sound better than my shitty Xi3's. I should have put duratracs on the STI

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Duratrac's are beast mode in the winter.

But doesn't matter, it's a and is the devil.

Dat 1/2mv^2

Right. But traction.....it would be an interesting test.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Seriously. They're legit

Sound better than my shitty Xi3's. I should have put duratracs on the STI

That would be 5/7.

[troyguitar]

Dat 1/2mv^2

Traction makes no difference in this equation.

You need a LOT more traction to make up for doubling your mass... It's highly unlikely there'd be that much difference unless you were comparing your beloved all-terrain tarz to racing slicks. Different AT tire tested here, but here's an example of some actual tests:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=210

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=204

Their test is only about 35% heavier than their test car, so the real results would likely be further apart between the two vehicles and the difference in compound would matter less on plain old cold pavement vs actual snow or ice - but it's at least a rough idea of an AT tire on a vs the cheapest of cheap all seasons on a car...

on AT tires: 79.7 ft on snow from 25 mph, 50.0 ft on ice from 12 mph, 96.55 second lap time on their snow course.

Car on the worst all season: 89.90 ft on snow, 47.80 ft on ice, 99.58 second lap.

For fun: Same car on "Perfomance Winters": 69.5 ft on snow, 32.3 ft on ice, 91.02 second lap.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=181

More fun: Same car on "Studless Winters": 66.75 ft on snow, 30.3 ft on ice, 97.73 second lap.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=193

30 ft vs 50 ft stopping distance on ice between a car on winter tires and a on AT tires... but yeah AT's are THE BEST!

Why look at objective tests though? Feelings >>

[max225]

TRUKS ARE BEST BRO THEY ARE ALSO THE MOST FUN

[Apex]

Traction makes no difference in this equation.

You need a LOT more traction to make up for doubling your mass... It's highly unlikely there'd be that much difference unless you were comparing your beloved all-terrain tarz to racing slicks. Different AT tire tested here, but here's an example of some actual tests:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=210

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=204

Their test is only about 35% heavier than their test car, so the real results would likely be further apart between the two vehicles and the difference in compound would matter less on plain old cold pavement vs actual snow or ice - but it's at least a rough idea of an AT tire on a vs the cheapest of cheap all seasons on a car...

on AT tires: 79.7 ft on snow from 25 mph, 50.0 ft on ice from 12 mph, 96.55 second lap time on their snow course.

Car on the worst all season: 89.90 ft on snow, 47.80 ft on ice, 99.58 second lap.

For fun: Same car on "Perfomance Winters": 69.5 ft on snow, 32.3 ft on ice, 91.02 second lap.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=181

More fun: Same car on "Studless Winters": 66.75 ft on snow, 30.3 ft on ice, 97.73 second lap.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=193

30 ft vs 50 ft stopping distance on ice between a car on winter tires and a on AT tires... but yeah AT's are THE BEST!

Why look at objective tests though? Feelings >>

Where are the summer tires in those tests?

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Traction makes no difference in this equation.

You need a LOT more traction to make up for doubling your mass... It's highly unlikely there'd be that much difference unless you were comparing your beloved all-terrain tarz to racing slicks. Different AT tire tested here, but here's an example of some actual tests:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=210

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=204

Their test is only about 35% heavier than their test car, so the real results would likely be further apart between the two vehicles and the difference in compound would matter less on plain old cold pavement vs actual snow or ice - but it's at least a rough idea of an AT tire on a vs the cheapest of cheap all seasons on a car...

on AT tires: 79.7 ft on snow from 25 mph, 50.0 ft on ice from 12 mph, 96.55 second lap time on their snow course.

Car on the worst all season: 89.90 ft on snow, 47.80 ft on ice, 99.58 second lap.

For fun: Same car on "Perfomance Winters": 69.5 ft on snow, 32.3 ft on ice, 91.02 second lap.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=181

More fun: Same car on "Studless Winters": 66.75 ft on snow, 30.3 ft on ice, 97.73 second lap.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=193

30 ft vs 50 ft stopping distance on ice between a car on winter tires and a on AT tires... but yeah AT's are THE BEST!

Why look at objective tests though? Feelings >>

I don't see any tests of a car on summer tires on cold pavement and ice and snow...which was the original point of all this.

Even shitty all seasons are probably better than summers. It's all in the compound of the tire. is summer tires are physically hard in cold weather. All seasons are slightly better, winters are the best.

I can't believe I'm arguing the virtue of proper tires with you. You're just arguing to argue at this point.

[troyguitar]

That's the closest to an objective set of tests that I can find. What are you basing your predictions on? Share your work.

Better yet - Want to actually do the experiment with a friendly wager?

[ChrisoftheNorth]

That's the closest to an objective set of tests that I can find. What are you basing your predictions on? Share your work.

Better yet - Want to actually do the experiment with a friendly wager?

Even the tests support my claim, so whatever. Other than stopping on ice, the truck on AT's stopped faster and turned a faster lap.

[troyguitar]

That's the closest to an objective set of tests that I can find. What are you basing your predictions on? Share your work.

Better yet - Want to actually do the experiment with a friendly wager?

Even the tests support my claim, so whatever. Other than stopping on ice, the truck on AT's stopped faster and turned a faster lap.

None of those were on pavement and their is only 35% heavier than their car.

How is it clear at all? The difference between compounds goes down on (dry) pavement, regardless of temperature. The difference between vehicles goes up dramatically as you increase the weight difference.

Neither result is going to be "good" but you're greatly overestimating your sports as usual.

[Johnny_P]

You need a LOT more traction to make up for doubling your mass... It's highly unlikely there'd be that much difference unless you were comparing your beloved all-terrain tarz to racing slicks. Different AT tire tested here, but here's an example of some actual tests:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=210

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=204

Their test is only about 35% heavier than their test car, so the real results would likely be further apart between the two vehicles and the difference in compound would matter less on plain old cold pavement vs actual snow or ice - but it's at least a rough idea of an AT tire on a vs the cheapest of cheap all seasons on a car...

on AT tires: 79.7 ft on snow from 25 mph, 50.0 ft on ice from 12 mph, 96.55 second lap time on their snow course.

Car on the worst all season: 89.90 ft on snow, 47.80 ft on ice, 99.58 second lap.

For fun: Same car on "Perfomance Winters": 69.5 ft on snow, 32.3 ft on ice, 91.02 second lap.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=181

More fun: Same car on "Studless Winters": 66.75 ft on snow, 30.3 ft on ice, 97.73 second lap.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ch ... p?ttid=193

30 ft vs 50 ft stopping distance on ice between a car on winter tires and a on AT tires... but yeah AT's are THE BEST!

Why look at objective tests though? Feelings >>

Where are the summer tires in those tests?

On the sidelines watching the all seasons murder children

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Even the tests support my claim, so whatever. Other than stopping on ice, the truck on AT's stopped faster and turned a faster lap.

None of those were on pavement and their is only 35% heavier than their car.

How is it clear at all? The difference between compounds goes down on (dry) pavement, regardless of temperature. The difference between vehicles goes up dramatically as you increase the weight difference.

Neither result is going to be "good" but you're greatly overestimating your sports as usual.

And you're greatly underestimating it.

[Apex]

Where are the summer tires in those tests?

On the sidelines watching the all seasons murder children

[Johnny_P]

FWIW all the big ass trucks I've driven have done admirably in heavy snow. Because they're so goddamn heavy. Whereas the tiny dick commuter special cars get whipped like little bitches when it snows.

[D Griff]

I'll be driving on summerz in 20F temps in a couple of hours