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I’d like to drive over Engineer Pass some day.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:32 pm Outbacks can handle many of the Colorado dirt roads and overland trails. They were everywhere in CO.

Sounds like a bunch of moron posers for not buying the ultimate lifestyle vehicle from the greatest car brand in the world.

dtraill27 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:55 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:32 pm Outbacks can handle many of the Colorado dirt roads and overland trails. They were everywhere in CO.

Sounds like a bunch of moron posers for not buying the ultimate lifestyle vehicle from the greatest car brand in the world.

Nailed it.

CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:21 pm

dtraill27 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:55 pm

Sounds like a bunch of moron posers for not buying the ultimate lifestyle vehicle from the greatest car brand in the world.

Nailed it.

Lesbian puppy love or bust

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/ctd/d/ ... 38064.html

Man the prices really came down on the wranglers as of late .... used they are starting to make sense

dtraill27 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:55 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:32 pm Outbacks can handle many of the Colorado dirt roads and overland trails. They were everywhere in CO.

Sounds like a bunch of moron posers for not buying the ultimate lifestyle vehicle from the greatest car brand in the world.

At least they didn’t go do something totally dumb like buying the worst mid size truck on the market.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:32 pm Outbacks can handle many of the Colorado dirt roads and overland trails. They were everywhere in CO.

I also saw endless foresters and outbacks in Vermont

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:25 pm

dtraill27 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:55 pm

Sounds like a bunch of moron posers for not buying the ultimate lifestyle vehicle from the greatest car brand in the world.

At least they didn’t go do something totally dumb like buying the worst mid size truck on the market.

A lot of locals are lifting miatas here. Like 5-10 people. Not just one or two. Must be a thing now? I can’t keep up with the retards and their trends anymore.

I do not understand lifting cars. It's really difficult to do safely and without drastically impacting the vehicle's drive. If you want something with more ground clearance, than buy something with more ground clearance.

I know, I don't live that #modlyfe

[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:15 am

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:12 am I do not understand lifting cars. It's really difficult to do safely and without drastically impacting the vehicle's drive. If you want something with more ground clearance, than buy something with more ground clearance.

I know, I don't live that #modlyfe

Says the guy who lifted his

It's still lower than stock

[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:35 am

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:16 am
It's still lower than stock

I'm just giving you

Outside of an inch or two, I'm not a fan of drastic suspension alterations either. I'm probably going to do a set of take-off Rubicon Recon springs on the JKU with Rubicon shocks for a 1" lift.

I'd be careful there IMO. I wasn't a fan of how my Rubicon handled stock. I'd be looking at the AEV DualSport 2.5 kit if I had a JK.

What's wrong with the stock setup ? The ground clearance on the stock wrangler is like 2" better than the colorado, with far better breakover and approach angles... why lift it ? ?

[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:54 am

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:48 am What's wrong with the stock setup ? The ground clearance on the stock wrangler is like 2" better than the colorado, with far better breakover and approach angles... why lift it ? ?

I don't really want a 2.5" lift. I want to retain stock tires and upgrade to OE Rubicon suspension spec - I'm just curious as to what Dplac didn't like about that.

Isn't it plenty capable as is?

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:58 am

[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:54 am

I don't really want a 2.5" lift. I want to retain stock tires and upgrade to OE Rubicon suspension spec - I'm just curious as to what Dplac didn't like about that.

Isn't it plenty capable as is?

[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:54 am

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:48 am What's wrong with the stock setup ? The ground clearance on the stock wrangler is like 2" better than the colorado, with far better breakover and approach angles... why lift it ? ?

I don't really want a 2.5" lift. I want to retain stock tires and upgrade to OE Rubicon suspension spec - I'm just curious as to what Dplac didn't like about that.

pretty positive your JK will gain ZERO height swapping to rubicon suspension. They have a different PN on shocks and thats about it. Richie gave me his rubi takeoff but there was zero gain to install it. unless you are replacing worn parts with newer take off, its not even worht the effort.

I can mail you my .5" "level" kit, its the poly insert. I think it was like $30 on amazon. I never installed it.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:43 am

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:54 am
I'd be careful there IMO. I wasn't a fan of how my Rubicon handled stock. I'd be looking at the AEV DualSport 2.5 kit if I had a JK.

I've looked at that too.

What didn't you like about the OE Rubicon suspension? Recon is a little different.

Oh, I didn't know Recon was different.

I thought my Rubicon was rather bouncy on the road and at speed. It required CONSTANT steering adjustment to keep it going straight. Really fatiguing IMO. The AEV kit is supposedly much more composed. I was looking at it hard before I offed my Jeep.

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:11 pm

[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:43 am

I've looked at that too.

What didn't you like about the OE Rubicon suspension? Recon is a little different.

Oh, I didn't know Recon was different.

I thought my Rubicon was rather bouncy on the road and at speed. It required CONSTANT steering adjustment to keep it going straight. Really fatiguing IMO. The AEV kit is supposedly much more composed. I was looking at it hard before I offed my Jeep.

I think the constant adjustment thing is just a Jeep thing. The Sport and Sahara models I test drove all did this. I would personally upgrade the brakes before changing the suspension out but I'm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:16 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:11 pm
Oh, I didn't know Recon was different.

I thought my Rubicon was rather bouncy on the road and at speed. It required CONSTANT steering adjustment to keep it going straight. Really fatiguing IMO. The AEV kit is supposedly much more composed. I was looking at it hard before I offed my Jeep.

I think the constant adjustment thing is just a Jeep thing. The Sport and Sahara models I test drove all did this.

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:54 am

[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:35 am

I'm just giving you

Outside of an inch or two, I'm not a fan of drastic suspension alterations either. I'm probably going to do a set of take-off Rubicon Recon springs on the JKU with Rubicon shocks for a 1" lift.

I'd be careful there IMO. I wasn't a fan of how my Rubicon handled stock. I'd be looking at the AEV DualSport 2.5 kit if I had a JK.

I think this is the way to go.

Here is the new JL kit.

I still think I'm gonna do the MOPAR/Fox kit next year.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:16 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:11 pm
Oh, I didn't know Recon was different.

I thought my Rubicon was rather bouncy on the road and at speed. It required CONSTANT steering adjustment to keep it going straight. Really fatiguing IMO. The AEV kit is supposedly much more composed. I was looking at it hard before I offed my Jeep.

I think the constant adjustment thing is just a Jeep thing. The Sport and Sahara models I test drove all did this. I would personally upgrade the brakes before changing the suspension out but I'm

I never drove a non-Rubicon JK, just assumed they were special because of the rock crawling ability (I loved the suspension over rocks). I don't see how Rubicon suspension would be an upgrade in any way shape or form. I think anyone that claims it's better than a sport or whatever i just forumbro

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:20 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:54 am
I'd be careful there IMO. I wasn't a fan of how my Rubicon handled stock. I'd be looking at the AEV DualSport 2.5 kit if I had a JK.

I think this is the way to go.

Here is the new JL kit.

Chatting with the dudes at AEV, they employ former FCA ride and handling engineers to dial their suspensions in. NOBODY in the aftermarket does that, and they can use better hardware than OEM because they can charge more for it than the OEM can on "stock" vehicles.

I would only consider AEV parts if I had a Wrangler.

SAWCE wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:20 pm I still think I'm gonna do the MOPAR/Fox kit next year.

For a lift, this would be a solid option. I loved the Fox suspension I had on my XJ. That stuff is legit.

Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:20 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:16 pm

I think the constant adjustment thing is just a Jeep thing. The Sport and Sahara models I test drove all did this. I would personally upgrade the brakes before changing the suspension out but I'm

I never drove a non-Rubicon JK, just assumed they were special because of the rock crawling ability (I loved the suspension over rocks). I don't see how Rubicon suspension would be an upgrade in any way shape or form. I think anyone that claims it's better than a sport or whatever i just forumbro

Yeah the wandering steering was pretty funny. Turn the wheel and literally nothing happens. Mere suggestions to the front wheels, I didn't exactly feel like I was in control of the vehicle. The Sahara seemed to do better at this for whatever reason. I guess I could get over that, but the brakes were legit terrifying. Of the vehicles I've driven in my life, only the 4Runner had worse brakes and I'm pretty sure that's because it was a TuRD Bro that was heavily forumbro'd and likely not working correctly. I have to slam my brakes daily in the city to avoid myriad retarded situations, strong brakes go a long way to feeling secure in the world of shit I live in.