We just got a bunch of those for the wedding. 5/7 cutting and they can go in the dishwasher. Dunno what they cost, but like said I only really use maybe 5 different knives myself.Calvinball wrote:Easily the best bang for your buck is Victorinox.Barnes93cb wrote:I need knife set suggestions. Nothing too expensive. But our cuisinart stainless knives are about done after two years. Ideally I would like to stay around $100 or less.
Let me know what you foodies suggest.
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They're damn close to the expensive forged stuff for a fraction on the price. I think my chef's knife that I use for everything was like $40-50. I use the steel periodically and I've run it through my electric sharpener once in the probably 8-9 years I've owned it and it's still a great knife.troyguitar wrote:We just got a bunch of those for the wedding. 5/7 cutting and they can go in the dishwasher. Dunno what they cost, but like said I only really use maybe 5 different knives myself.Calvinball wrote: Easily the best bang for your buck is Victorinox.
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I’m going to speak for Zilch and I both on this and let him offer his two cents if needed. We share the open stock concept. Knife sets are usually shit and as already stated, you won’t use 75% of what you have.CorvetteWaxer wrote:Obviously, in most cases if you spend more, you get more (up to a point of diminishing returns). However, even lower cost knives can be really good, especially if you get a good honing steel and keep the edges true before use.
I would recommend not buying a "set" and instead buying individual blades as you need them. The sets are usually cheaper material steel and a cheap block at a higher price. Also, they tend to include knives you may never use. Find a knife with ergonomics you like and investigate the steel used. The most important part really will be what steel the blade is made from. Something too soft and it will require a lot of sharpening, and will likely be prone to rusting. One that is too hard will keep it's edge longer, but be a bitch to actually sharpen and likely need to be sent out to have it sharpened by a pro with the correct stones.
I have a very expensive set of knives that I wish I had not purchased. They are good, but I barely use but 3 or 4 of the blades and could have gotten so much more for the money (or much less) by buying the knives I need and not all the extra crap in the ~$1200 kit.
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Table knife - Messermeister
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Our current full (including four table knives) set minus a boning knife and peeling knife running around in drawers that we don’t use enough to care about storage or quality. That being said, we take knives pretty seriously in this kitchen. They will hands down make your work load easier if used properly. Zilch has done his fair share of research to determine his wants and I have taken my suggestions from culinary professionals when purchasing.
A good chef’s knife should be doing 90% of your work. Go to crate and barrel or even Bed, Bath and Beyond and feel some things out. Weight will make a massive difference. Zilch’s chef knife is honestly too heavy for me to use properly so I stick the the paring knife for jobs that the chefs knife should be handling. Crate and Barrel also puts their knives on sale frequently. I’d suggest making use of some Black Friday goodness on this.
Put your money in a few good ones and skip the sets.
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Thank you all for the recommendations for cutlery.
This makes things a bit more difficult. But I believe in the long run it will pay off for us. Ill have to make some trips to the store to try things out.
Our current knives are all metal and hollow handled. I dislike this and the edge is dull/ abused on our chefs knife and I believe beyond typical repair. Our scissors also broke so we have a cheap backup set. The knives are starting to show signs of rust. I am sure with some elbow grease I could keep it at bay but this seems like an overall losing battle. If I could keep the knives out of the dishwasher I am sure that would help with their lifespan.
I had never contemplated buying individually to build a personalized set.
This makes things a bit more difficult. But I believe in the long run it will pay off for us. Ill have to make some trips to the store to try things out.
Our current knives are all metal and hollow handled. I dislike this and the edge is dull/ abused on our chefs knife and I believe beyond typical repair. Our scissors also broke so we have a cheap backup set. The knives are starting to show signs of rust. I am sure with some elbow grease I could keep it at bay but this seems like an overall losing battle. If I could keep the knives out of the dishwasher I am sure that would help with their lifespan.
I had never contemplated buying individually to build a personalized set.
Our knives do not see the dishwasher but I’m a little anal about shit like that. How often are they being used and what are you slicing most? Is it every meal of the day, mostly veggies? Just dinner, and they get grabbed to open packaging?Barnes93cb wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:21 pm Thank you all for the recommendations for cutlery.
This makes things a bit more difficult. But I believe in the long run it will pay off for us. Ill have to make some trips to the store to try things out.
Our current knives are all metal and hollow handled. I dislike this and the edge is dull/ abused on our chefs knife and I believe beyond typical repair. Our scissors also broke so we have a cheap backup set. The knives are starting to show signs of rust. I am sure with some elbow grease I could keep it at bay but this seems like an overall losing battle. If I could keep the knives out of the dishwasher I am sure that would help with their lifespan.
I had never contemplated buying individually to build a personalized set.
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Basically everything Sno said. And the bolded above. Hand wash only.Barnes93cb wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:21 pm Thank you all for the recommendations for cutlery.
This makes things a bit more difficult. But I believe in the long run it will pay off for us. Ill have to make some trips to the store to try things out.
Our current knives are all metal and hollow handled. I dislike this and the edge is dull/ abused on our chefs knife and I believe beyond typical repair. Our scissors also broke so we have a cheap backup set. The knives are starting to show signs of rust. I am sure with some elbow grease I could keep it at bay but this seems like an overall losing battle. If I could keep the knives out of the dishwasher I am sure that would help with their lifespan.
I had never contemplated buying individually to build a personalized set.
The other knife not pictured is a filet/boning knife that I’ve had forever and I use it regularly to skin fish.
The other piece of advise is to buy as much quality as you can afford, and learn how to sharpen them. If they’re well cared for they’ll last you forever.
Side note: I could live without the tomato/sandwich knife. The bread knife will do the same work only better...it’s probably the sharpest knife I own. It makes a great carving knife as well.
So in summary - 1 chef knife, 1 paring knife, 1 bread/carving knife, 1 filet knife and you’ll cover 99.9% of the jobs you’ll ever tackle in the kitchen.
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I dont use the dishwasher. But my roomate is a douche and will throw EVERYTHING into the washer. Even my copper core stainless cookware.Sno wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:44 pmOur knives do not see the dishwasher but I’m a little anal about shit like that. How often are they being used and what are you slicing most? Is it every meal of the day, mostly veggies? Just dinner, and they get grabbed to open packaging?Barnes93cb wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:21 pm Thank you all for the recommendations for cutlery.
This makes things a bit more difficult. But I believe in the long run it will pay off for us. Ill have to make some trips to the store to try things out.
Our current knives are all metal and hollow handled. I dislike this and the edge is dull/ abused on our chefs knife and I believe beyond typical repair. Our scissors also broke so we have a cheap backup set. The knives are starting to show signs of rust. I am sure with some elbow grease I could keep it at bay but this seems like an overall losing battle. If I could keep the knives out of the dishwasher I am sure that would help with their lifespan.
I had never contemplated buying individually to build a personalized set.
Theyre typically used 3 days of the week. Primarily veggies and chicken. I cannot answer whether or not theyre used to open packaging. I use scissors or my pocket knives for that.
Im planning to start cooking more than we have been. One weekend day for meal prep lunches. And then 4 or so evenings for dinner.
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How does a dishwasher hurt a blade?
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Dishwashing detergent is abrasive and the water pressure can move the knives around and them hitting shit repeatedly is bad.
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Dish washing detergent is generally more alkaline than dish soap, so that coupled with how well it’s rinsed and dried in the machine can cause rust spots.
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Also, a finely sharpened edge is delicate and you want to protect it as much as you can. Hand wash only and dry with a soft cloth before putting them away. I also rinse and dry them often during use to reduce anything from drying on the blade.
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So 5 years of dishwasher-only use on my few old victorinox knives having done no noticeable damage to my ass means that I'm just experiencing luck?
The old ones literally look and feel exactly the same to me as the brand new ones we just got... they all cut way better than my walmart specials, all have no rust vs the walmart specials which are showing some rust spots.
I understand the theory, but in practice I haven't seen any issues. Of course everyone on DFD does everything the absolute best way with the absolute best materials every single time. I'm the lone moran.
The old ones literally look and feel exactly the same to me as the brand new ones we just got... they all cut way better than my walmart specials, all have no rust vs the walmart specials which are showing some rust spots.
I understand the theory, but in practice I haven't seen any issues. Of course everyone on DFD does everything the absolute best way with the absolute best materials every single time. I'm the lone moran.
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Oh yeah... I use them to open packages too, because they're fucking knives.
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troyguitar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:26 pm Oh yeah... I use them to open packages too, because they're fucking knives.
A box cutter is cheap and much better for the job.
Because you said this, I invalidate your prior comment about the knives being "the same as a brand new one" since opening boxes will dull a blade very fast. 10:1 that your blades are not sharp and probably can't feather paper.
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Not boxes... opening plastic-wrapped food stuff.
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What the hell is feathering paper and why would I care about that anyway?
The old "ruined" knives cut meat and vegetables with the same level of effort (i.e. near zero) as the new ones.
The old "ruined" knives cut meat and vegetables with the same level of effort (i.e. near zero) as the new ones.
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it shows how sharp the blade really is, if you can cut loosely supported paper in fine strips you know that the micro-serrations on the blade are inline and kicking ass.troyguitar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:35 pm What the hell is feathering paper and why would I care about that anyway?
The old "ruined" knives cut meat and vegetables with the same level of effort (i.e. near zero) as the new ones.
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Or they’re higher quality stainless. You-do-you boobootroyguitar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:21 pm So 5 years of dishwasher-only use on my few old victorinox knives having done no noticeable damage to my ass means that I'm just experiencing luck?
The old ones literally look and feel exactly the same to me as the brand new ones we just got... they all cut way better than my walmart specials, all have no rust vs the walmart specials which are showing some rust spots.
I understand the theory, but in practice I haven't seen any issues. Of course everyone on DFD does everything the absolute best way with the absolute best materials every single time. I'm the lone moran.
Also Victornix are pretty good knives for their price point/stamped blades
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Im sure with better knives this wouldnt be an issue. But with my cheap $40 knife set two years of use have destroyed the edge.troyguitar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:21 pm So 5 years of dishwasher-only use on my few old victorinox knives having done no noticeable damage to my ass means that I'm just experiencing luck?
The old ones literally look and feel exactly the same to me as the brand new ones we just got... they all cut way better than my walmart specials, all have no rust vs the walmart specials which are showing some rust spots.
I understand the theory, but in practice I haven't seen any issues. Of course everyone on DFD does everything the absolute best way with the absolute best materials every single time. I'm the lone moran.
Right. And because you’re Troy, everything has to be an arguement as to why what you do is better.troyguitar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:21 pm So 5 years of dishwasher-only use on my few old victorinox knives having done no noticeable damage to my ass means that I'm just experiencing luck?
The old ones literally look and feel exactly the same to me as the brand new ones we just got... they all cut way better than my walmart specials, all have no rust vs the walmart specials which are showing some rust spots.
I understand the theory, but in practice I haven't seen any issues. Of course everyone on DFD does everything the absolute best way with the absolute best materials every single time. I'm the lone moran .
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...or, because you're Sno, you interpret everything I ever say in the worst way possible. I couldn't possibly have any interest in learning why what I'm doing is wrong so that I can improve myself, could I? Is there some harm that I'm doing to my stuff that I can't detect after "only" 5 years of use? Will the knives suddenly turn to dust next year?
It sounds like doing everything right would have extended the useful life of my shitty walmart knives, but how does it actually help when you start with the right knives in the first place?
It sounds like doing everything right would have extended the useful life of my shitty walmart knives, but how does it actually help when you start with the right knives in the first place?
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Troy you just come across in an argumentative way. Sno isn’t the only one that interprets your statements as such.troyguitar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:44 pm ...or, because you're Sno, you interpret everything I ever say in the worst way possible. I couldn't possibly have any interest in learning why what I'm doing is wrong so that I can improve myself, could I? Is there some harm that I'm doing to my stuff that I can't detect after "only" 5 years of use? Will the knives suddenly turn to dust next year?
It sounds like doing everything right would have extended the useful life of my shitty walmart knives, but how does it actually help when you start with the right knives in the first place?
In short yes, your Walmart knives would’ve likely faired better had you treated them better. If your other knives are doing fine in the dishwasher, that’s great. Keep doing it.
My blades don’t, so I’ll continue to hand wash them.
As with most things in life YMMV.
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So being super anal about everything might not actually be necessary if you buy the right stuff?
The way I read what you guys are saying is that your way is the only way to do everything. My "argument" is that you might be able to get away without being so bloody OCD about everything. Y'all are effectively changing your oil every 500 miles because it's cheap insurance.
The way I read what you guys are saying is that your way is the only way to do everything. My "argument" is that you might be able to get away without being so bloody OCD about everything. Y'all are effectively changing your oil every 500 miles because it's cheap insurance.
Taking care of something you paid good money for is not OCD, it’s responsible.troyguitar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:22 pm So being super anal about everything might not actually be necessary if you buy the right stuff?
The way I read what you guys are saying is that your way is the only way to do everything. My "argument" is that you might be able to get away without being so bloody OCD about everything. Y'all are effectively changing your oil every 500 miles because it's cheap insurance.
Instead of saying someone is OCD or accusing them of being excessive, your follow up statement could start as “I do this differently. I’m interested to hear the benefits to your way.”
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