Jeeponomics 101: Eternal tirekicking for the gutless Jeep

[ChrisoftheNorth]

There was a change in the casting supplier in 00. They discovered and fixed it in 02. So 00-02 can be problems.

The good news is it's easy to find out if a head has been replaced by looking down the oil cap. Many have been, so I would have no hesitation to buy one with the head replaced.

I think it was actually 99. But the TJ used the older 4.0 While the xjs got the “newer” one.. it’s a shame really since 99-01 xjs are the best in terms of everything else and they have a fked up head.

Model year 00, which had some production in 99. But if a Jeep is a 99 model year, it's fine.

And again, a lot of the heads have already failed. If there's a Jeep still running, it's either had the head replaced or it's fine.

[Desertbreh]

So, I went out to the Jeep last night to go get gas for the wife. Start it up and had a CEL.

Came back inside and asked if she had noticed it... "Yeah, it's been on for about a week" she says in a quiet tone and kind of sheepishly...

Busted out the OBD2 dongle and read the code, p0456, EVAP System Small Leak.

Couple possible common fixes: gas cap, or more likely: there is a plastic hose for the EVAP system that Jeep routes right next to the battery and it often develops a small pin hole.

I still have 2 months of bumper to bumper warranty left, so I'm just going to use it while I debate buying the Jeep extended warranty. $2500 for a lifetime warranty with $100 deductible or $3200 for a lifetime with $0 deductible...

WUT. B2B?

[ChrisoftheNorth]

So, I went out to the Jeep last night to go get gas for the wife. Start it up and had a CEL.

Came back inside and asked if she had noticed it... "Yeah, it's been on for about a week" she says in a quiet tone and kind of sheepishly...

Busted out the OBD2 dongle and read the code, p0456, EVAP System Small Leak.

Couple possible common fixes: gas cap, or more likely: there is a plastic hose for the EVAP system that Jeep routes right next to the battery and it often develops a small pin hole.

I still have 2 months of bumper to bumper warranty left, so I'm just going to use it while I debate buying the Jeep extended warranty. $2500 for a lifetime warranty with $100 deductible or $3200 for a lifetime with $0 deductible...

WUT. B2B?

Yep. Chrysler has been doing it for a while. Thing is, it's non transferrable. So it's really just a B2B warranty for as long as you own the car. If you can keep it for a long time, you can make out like a bandit. Most people don't.

[Desertbreh]

WUT. B2B?

Yep. Chrysler has been doing it for a while. Thing is, it's non transferrable. So it's really just a B2B warranty for as long as you own the car. If you can keep it for a long time, you can make out like a bandit. Most people don't.

I had no idea. That's actually a decent reason to buy a Jeep.... I mean that's a huge deal for people who keep a 3rd car SUV thing like we do. Zero depreciation, no maintenance worries EVER on an FCA product. Fuuuuuuuuuck.

[Desertbreh]

WUT. B2B?

Yep. Chrysler has been doing it for a while. Thing is, it's non transferrable. So it's really just a B2B warranty for as long as you own the car. If you can keep it for a long time, you can make out like a bandit. Most people don't.

So can I get this on a Quadrifoglio?

[CorvetteWaxer]

WUT. B2B?

Yep. Chrysler has been doing it for a while. Thing is, it's non transferrable. So it's really just a B2B warranty for as long as you own the car. If you can keep it for a long time, you can make out like a bandit. Most people don't.

It can be transferred over once if you sell the vehicle.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Yep. Chrysler has been doing it for a while. Thing is, it's non transferrable. So it's really just a B2B warranty for as long as you own the car. If you can keep it for a long time, you can make out like a bandit. Most people don't.

So can I get this on a Quadrifoglio?

Not sure if it extends to Alfa. I knew a guy in CA that bought an Abarth with the lifetime B2B warranty, so it applies to Fiat at least.

I was going to buy one for my JK, but I knew I'd mod it and realistically wouldn't keep it that long. The decision NOT to was a good one because I was right.

But it really does take the worry out of reliability to an extent. Still sucks to have a car that lives at the regardless of if it's covered or not.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Yep. Chrysler has been doing it for a while. Thing is, it's non transferrable. So it's really just a B2B warranty for as long as you own the car. If you can keep it for a long time, you can make out like a bandit. Most people don't.

It can be transferred over once if you sell the vehicle.

Woa, really? I remember shopping them and they all were non-transferrable. This was 6 years ago, so maybe that changed?

[CorvetteWaxer]

It can be transferred over once if you sell the vehicle.

Woa, really? I remember shopping them and they all were non-transferrable. This was 6 years ago, so maybe that changed?

Yeah, this was on the quotes I've been getting this weekend.

[Davestr]

Yep. Chrysler has been doing it for a while. Thing is, it's non transferrable. So it's really just a B2B warranty for as long as you own the car. If you can keep it for a long time, you can make out like a bandit. Most people don't.

I had no idea. That's actually a decent reason to buy a Jeep.... I mean that's a huge deal for people who keep a 3rd car SUV thing like we do. Zero depreciation, no maintenance worries EVER on an FCA product. Fuuuuuuuuuck.

Total WERD. Thats a nice long term NFG sit-cheeation.

[09vdubgti]

Found a 2017 JKU Willys W, with exactly every single option I wanted. Which was the LED headlights and hardtop, in Rhino.

$1500 total out of pocket, $375 month, 36/12k.

I dont really have specifics though, like final sales price, residual,m/F. I know MSRP is $40,065 and they took off like 2k and change.

Thoughts?

[Johnny_P]

Found a 2017 JKU Willys W, with exactly every single option I wanted. Which was the LED headlights and hardtop, in Rhino.

$1500 total out of pocket, $375 month, 36/12k.

I dont really have specifics though, like final sales price, residual,m/F. I know MSRP is $40,065 and they took off like 2k and change.

Thoughts?

Tax included in that or no?
I'd think you could do better than that as they're being advertised with huge amounts of cash on the hood now. But maybe there's not much lease support and only purchase support.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Found a 2017 JKU Willys W, with exactly every single option I wanted. Which was the LED headlights and hardtop, in Rhino.

$1500 total out of pocket, $375 month, 36/12k.

I dont really have specifics though, like final sales price, residual,m/F. I know MSRP is $40,065 and they took off like 2k and change.

Thoughts?

Tax included in that or no?
I'd think you could do better than that as they're being advertised with huge amounts of cash on the hood now. But maybe there's not much lease support and only purchase support.

Jeep has never done much in the way of lease support on the Wrangler. And especially now with the new model out...it's rare that an OEM does any lease support on an outgoing model because they don't want to deal with that thing coming back in 3 years.

That said, the doesn't sound horrible for a $40k vehicle.

[Johnny_P]

Tax included in that or no?
I'd think you could do better than that as they're being advertised with huge amounts of cash on the hood now. But maybe there's not much lease support and only purchase support.

Jeep has never done much in the way of lease support on the Wrangler. And especially now with the new model out...it's rare that an OEM does any lease support on an outgoing model because they don't want to deal with that thing coming back in 3 years.

That said, the doesn't sound horrible for a $40k vehicle.

Yeah it's not bad overall. But if you need to add tax on top of that, or other acquisition fees and delivery (think typical fleecing bullshit) then it's a nope. Like, "$1500 down is all you need!" (plus $900 for delivery because we didn't add that, and $650 acquisition fee, and it has VIN etched already so that's another $500, etc) and $375 a month! (plus tax).

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Jeep has never done much in the way of lease support on the Wrangler. And especially now with the new model out...it's rare that an OEM does any lease support on an outgoing model because they don't want to deal with that thing coming back in 3 years.

That said, the doesn't sound horrible for a $40k vehicle.

Yeah it's not bad overall. But if you need to add tax on top of that, or other acquisition fees and delivery (think typical fleecing bullshit) then it's a nope. Like, "$1500 down is all you need!" (plus $900 for delivery because we didn't add that, and $650 acquisition fee, and it has VIN etched already so that's another $500, etc) and $375 a month! (plus tax).

Yea, good point.

I've never had a give me a lease quote without tax in it, doe. I've seen it advertised online, but when I actually deal with a human, they give me everything straight up.

[CorvetteWaxer]

Yeah it's not bad overall. But if you need to add tax on top of that, or other acquisition fees and delivery (think typical fleecing bullshit) then it's a nope. Like, "$1500 down is all you need!" (plus $900 for delivery because we didn't add that, and $650 acquisition fee, and it has VIN etched already so that's another $500, etc) and $375 a month! (plus tax).

Yea, good point.

I've never had a give me a lease quote without tax in it, doe. I've seen it advertised online, but when I actually deal with a human, they give me everything straight up.

When I leased the BMW they were strictly not including tax when we talked numbers. Around here it's difficult though, we have sales tax rates that range from 8% - 9.75% within a 20 mile radius.

[max225]

Found a 2017 JKU Willys W, with exactly every single option I wanted. Which was the LED headlights and hardtop, in Rhino.

$1500 total out of pocket, $375 month, 36/12k.

I dont really have specifics though, like final sales price, residual,m/F. I know MSRP is $40,065 and they took off like 2k and change.

Thoughts?

That’s shit. You should get at least 5k off a jk at this point. Especially one that is essentially one year old

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Yea, good point.

I've never had a give me a lease quote without tax in it, doe. I've seen it advertised online, but when I actually deal with a human, they give me everything straight up.

When I leased the BMW they were strictly not including tax when we talked numbers. Around here it's difficult though, we have sales tax rates that range from 8% - 9.75% within a 20 mile radius.

Yea, dat county sales tax. I get that circumstance. I never leased a car in CA, doe.

In Meatchicken, sales tax is common throughout the state. Not including it in quotes would just make people when it came to signing papers.

[dubshow]

Found a 2017 JKU Willys W, with exactly every single option I wanted. Which was the LED headlights and hardtop, in Rhino.

$1500 total out of pocket, $375 month, 36/12k.

I dont really have specifics though, like final sales price, residual,m/F. I know MSRP is $40,065 and they took off like 2k and change.

Thoughts?

That’s shit. You should get at least 5k off a jk at this point. Especially one that is essentially one year old

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Found a 2017 JKU Willys W, with exactly every single option I wanted. Which was the LED headlights and hardtop, in Rhino.

$1500 total out of pocket, $375 month, 36/12k.

I dont really have specifics though, like final sales price, residual,m/F. I know MSRP is $40,065 and they took off like 2k and change.

Thoughts?

That’s shit. You should get at least 5k off a jk at this point. Especially one that is essentially one year old

"Should" and "will" are two different things.

Find $5k off a lease. $5k off purchase is probably no problem.

[max225]

I mean let’s be real.

1. Jeep upped the capacity of the JL production to 350-450k once the truk version hits
2. Jk is a decade old
3. This is a 2017 model
4. JL are rolling in en Masse and are better in every single way

[max225]

That’s shit. You should get at least 5k off a jk at this point. Especially one that is essentially one year old

"Should" and "will" are two different things.

Find $5k off a lease. $5k off purchase is probably no problem.

I suppose if the goal is to lease one then that’s about as good as it gets.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I mean let’s be real.

1. Jeep upped the capacity of the JL production to 350-450k once the truk version hits
2. Jk is a decade old
3. This is a 2017 model
4. JL are rolling in en Masse and are better in every single way

Right. So FCA REALLY doesn't want to lease those things. The residuals will probably be some of the worst for Wranglers EVER.

Though, the higher price of the JL should keep some demand up for JKs...but the JL is so much better,

[max225]

I mean let’s be real.

1. Jeep upped the capacity of the JL production to 350-450k once the truk version hits
2. Jk is a decade old
3. This is a 2017 model
4. JL are rolling in en Masse and are better in every single way

Right. So FCA REALLY doesn't want to lease those things. The residuals will probably be some of the worst for Wranglers EVER.

Though, the higher price of the JL should keep some demand up for JKs...but the JL is so much better,

I would just hunt for an JL. They are already dealing at 5% under invoice on them. Which is around 5-6k off sticker. I think fca really wants to sell this thing now that capacity restrictions are done.

I just think buying a new jk right now without a discount is a bad move

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Right. So FCA REALLY doesn't want to lease those things. The residuals will probably be some of the worst for Wranglers EVER.

Though, the higher price of the JL should keep some demand up for JKs...but the JL is so much better,

I would just hunt for an JL. They are already dealing at 5% under invoice on them. Which is around 5-6k off sticker. I think fca really wants to sell this thing now that capacity restrictions are done.

I just think buying a new jk right now without a discount is a bad move

Agreed.

Though with the MSRP difference, a JK will always be cheaper than a JL. I can't imagine discounts applying to the JL that don't apply to JK.

I think the JL is worth the price increase, but if the end goal is the cheap then that's the way to do it.