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dubshow wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:46 am Also show me how breaking distance is increased with mud tires

Larger diameter than what the brakes were intended to handle.

It takes more applied force to slow the rotation of a larger diameter tire.

Also available traction

Imagine a disc and axle spinning together the further out you grab the disc, the easier it is to stop.

I think I missed something while I was away. Sawce, did you trade your GTI in for a Wrangler?

Jaxper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:26 am I think I missed something while I was away. Sawce, did you trade your GTI in for a Wrangler?

Yes, GTI was having some issues and the CEL was staying on.

So he got a 4 door Willy's Wheeler Wrangler.

4zilch wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:12 am

dubshow wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:46 am Also show me how breaking distance is increased with mud tires

Larger diameter than what the brakes were intended to handle.

It takes more applied force to slow the rotation of a larger diameter tire.

Also available traction

Imagine a disc and axle spinning together the further out you grab the disc, the easier it is to stop.

I'm assuming the mud tars have more traction and are a larger diameter. Therefore applying a much larger moment to the spinning wheel than the brakes are capable of overcoming. If the brakes can lock up the stock wheels/tars but cannot lock up mud wheels/tars then that's it. Increase the braking force until you can lock the wheels up and you've balanced the equation. But until you do that your braking distances will increase substantially with the mud tires on the vehicle.

Ways to increase the moment that the brakes can apply? Moment = Force x Distance
Ways to increase Force:
Pad changes
---Higher friction compound pads
---Larger swept area of pads
Higher hydraulic pressure
---Larger diameter piston in the calipers
---Larger diameter brake booster or master cylinder with more leverage
More efficient power transfer
---Stiffer calipers
---Braided brake lines (mostly a tuner bullshit mod but whatever)

Ways to increase Length:
Rotor changes
---Larger diameter rotors, i.e. moving the calipers farther away from the hub

BBKs address basically all of these at once.
Pads alone will add force.
Larger rotors will increase distance.
If you can increase distance by 12% as this rotor change does, the change in applied moment is EQUAL TO pads with 12% grippier compound.
If you add 12% larger rotors and 12% grippier compound you're increasing the braking moment by 25%. (1.12^2=1.25)

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:43 am

SAWCE wrote:
Happened to see someone on one of the Heep forums selling this. Like new condition for half the cost of new. Still pricey, but I think it looks cooler than just a normal net like we talked about hanging, and he happens to be on my way up to big bear this weekend, so picking it up Sunday on my way home.

Cheating on us with another forum, are ya?

There's too much hate on here. Everyone over there is just stroking each other's driveshafts.

Why are we 'ing here?

I can totally see all arguments though and I was going to comment on the uprated rotors as well. I think they will provide only a negligible benefit for nearly the same amount of work as bigger calipers.

What we haven't talked about is going 2nd hand on the ram calipers because that's what they are... You gotta be able to get them for $150-200 for the pair since they made a metric ton of them, as well as a used master. All in way you can do it for $400

Apex wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:28 am

Jaxper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:26 am I think I missed something while I was away. Sawce, did you trade your GTI in for a Wrangler?

Yes, GTI was having some issues and the CEL was staying on.

So he got a 4 door Willy's Wheeler Wrangler.

I thought you were being a smartass with alliteration.

TIL this is a real model of the Wrangler.

Jaxper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:24 pm

Apex wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:28 am

Yes, GTI was having some issues and the CEL was staying on.

So he got a 4 door Willy's Wheeler Wrangler.

I thought you were being a smartass with alliteration.

TIL this is a real model of the Wrangler.

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:41 pm Why are we 'ing here?

I can totally see all arguments though and I was going to comment on the uprated rotors as well. I think they will provide only a negligible benefit for nearly the same amount of work as bigger calipers.

What we haven't talked about is going 2nd hand on the ram calipers because that's what they are... You gotta be able to get them for $150-200 for the pair since they made a metric ton of them, as well as a used master. All in way you can do it for $400

This is probably the way to go for sure.

Brake upgrades won’t happen for me until at least when it’s time for new pads, and then I’ll see how involved I feel like getting.

The willys doesn't get get 44 danas right?
Essentially it just gets 373s, 17s, limited slip rear and the painted front end? for $4200 over the standard sport, and for $1300 above the sport S?

It is a nice package, I just don't like the black front.

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:22 pm The willys doesn't get get 44 danas right?
Essentially it just gets 373s, 17s, limited slip rear and the painted front end? for $4200 over the standard sport, and for $1300 above the sport S?

It is a nice package, I just don't like the black front.

Dana 44 rear, Rubicon rock rails, and I think Rubicon shocks, and gnarlier tars.

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:22 pm The willys doesn't get get 44 danas right?
Essentially it just gets 373s, 17s, limited slip rear and the painted front end? for $4200 over the standard sport, and for $1300 above the sport S?

It is a nice package, I just don't like the black front.

It has the D44 rear, but still the D30 front axle.

Has the black Rubicon and tarz too.

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:22 pm The willys doesn't get get 44 danas right?
Essentially it just gets 373s, 17s, limited slip rear and the painted front end? for $4200 over the standard sport, and for $1300 above the sport S?

It is a nice package, I just don't like the black front.

I really didn't like the black front at first. It grew on me a bit the first few days, and then I started to actually like it. There are some days where I wish it was the same color as the rest of the body, but for the most part I like the black now.

Moved this second paragraph to actual thread.

Pretty easy install, looks good, haven’t driven the pups yet to test its functionality. Only bummer about getting it used is the guy forgot to include the longer bolts and nuts that it comes with. Ran by a hardware store to grab some just to get it in, and I’ll hit up the mfg tomorrow to see if they’d be down to mail some out to me so they match the rest of the hardware in there.

SAWCE wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:41 pm

Pretty easy install, looks good, haven’t driven the pups yet to test its functionality. Only bummer about getting it used is the guy forgot to include the longer bolts and nuts that it comes with. Ran by a hardware store to grab some just to get it in, and I’ll hit up the mfg tomorrow to see if they’d be down to mail some out to me so they match the rest of the hardware in there.

Nice

Appropriate

https://www.blipshift.com/products/moar ... ar-by-four

4zilch wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:34 pm Appropriate

https://www.blipshift.com/products/moar ... ar-by-four

4zilch wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:34 pm Appropriate

https://www.blipshift.com/products/moar ... ar-by-four

35s ?

Apex wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:28 am

Jaxper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:26 am I think I missed something while I was away. Sawce, did you trade your GTI in for a Wrangler?

Yes, GTI was having some issues and the CEL was staying on.

So he did the right thing and dumped that piece of German engineering garbage and got a 4 door Willy's Wheeler Wrangler.

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/pts ... 24971.html

Basic bitch tubular front bumper for $70. Might grab it for shits and giggles. Guessing it’s a cheap Barricade or something.

SAWCE wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:09 pm https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/pts ... 24971.html

Basic bitch tubular front bumper for $70. Might grab it for shits and giggles. Guessing it’s a cheap Barricade or something.

Y tho, and will it fit a JK? that looks like a YJ bumper..

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:10 pm

SAWCE wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:09 pm https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/pts ... 24971.html

Basic bitch tubular front bumper for $70. Might grab it for shits and giggles. Guessing it’s a cheap Barricade or something.

Y tho, and will it fit a JK? that looks like a YJ bumper..

I like how those tubular ones look.

Also, good call, I searched for JK, but knowing craigslist it might not. I’ll ask

Max knows his shit. YJ.

SAWCE wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:21 pm Max knows his shit. YJ.

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:44 pm

SAWCE wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:21 pm Max knows his shit. YJ.

Boot scoot n boogie