2025 Plac-pocalypse!!

[D Griff]

DIABOLICAL. Always a wild ride with Max.

[MrH42]

Long essay

But the 200kw battery setup IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR AT HOME CHARGING. I'll spare all of you non EV owners the details but IMO this type of vehicle/battery is WAY to big for at home charging. Unless you spend $20k on a dedicated full house electrical upgrade and a near industrial charger.

IDK why the size of that battery gives a fuck about your home charger. Amps are amps, you have a fixed amount you can deliver with your current setup. That translates into some approximate amount of range per unit time, and as long as you dont consume more than you can deliver, WGAF?

I'm guessing he means it's pretty ugly on a conventional 9.8 kW charger? Would be like 20+ hours to fully charge at home.

I've got a 19.6 kW charger and can charge up the 131 kWh battery in the not-a- in under 8 hours. I would totally get a 200+ kWh Silverado EV if it was half the price. That would be awesome.

[max225]

Long essay

But the 200kw battery setup IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR AT HOME CHARGING. I'll spare all of you non EV owners the details but IMO this type of vehicle/battery is WAY to big for at home charging. Unless you spend $20k on a dedicated full house electrical upgrade and a near industrial charger.

IDK why the size of that battery gives a fuck about your home charger. Amps are amps, you have a fixed amount you can deliver with your current setup. That translates into some approximate amount of range per unit time, and as long as you dont consume more than you can deliver, WGAF?

Ah if you wanted to know let me explain.
Most house wiring is ok up to 50 amps. Once you go ABOVE 50 the costs spiral exponentially. The average house panel also tends to be 100amps, and some more modern homes have 200 amps. An average house can handle the extra 50amps no problem.

The average L2 charger is usually capped at 7.2-9.6KW or 40-48 amps they are relatively inexpensive and cost about $500. In order to charge a 200kw battery 0-100 you'd need 21-28 HOURS. That's fucktarded and frankly not workable.

At that point you need to set up a separate 100 amp circuit the wire alone costs like 5X what a 50amp wire costs... and we're talking 1000s of $. You'll also need a main panel upgrade... and you'll need a charger capable of 20KW, which normally costs 2-4K and is FAR less common. At that point you'll be able to get it down to a more acceptable 10 hrs 0-100%...

It is a HUGE hassle.

[max225]

DIABOLICAL. Always a wild ride with Max.

The chaos is consistent... Civic Sport vs M3 lives on 8 years later.

[golftdibrad1]

IDK why the size of that battery gives a fuck about your home charger. Amps are amps, you have a fixed amount you can deliver with your current setup. That translates into some approximate amount of range per unit time, and as long as you dont consume more than you can deliver, WGAF?

I'm guessing he means it's pretty ugly on a conventional 9.8 kW charger? Would be like 20+ hours to fully charge at home.

I've got a 19.6 kW charger and can charge up the 131 kWh battery in the not-a- in under 8 hours. I would totally get a 200+ kWh Silverado EV if it was half the price. That would be awesome.

yes....

IDK why the size of that battery gives a fuck about your home charger. Amps are amps, you have a fixed amount you can deliver with your current setup. That translates into some approximate amount of range per unit time, and as long as you dont consume more than you can deliver, WGAF?

Ah if you wanted to know let me explain.
Most house wiring is ok up to 50 amps. Once you go ABOVE 50 the costs spiral exponentially. The average house panel also tends to be 100amps, and some more modern homes have 200 amps. An average house can handle the extra 50amps no problem.

The average L2 charger is usually capped at 7.2-9.6KW or 40-48 amps they are relatively inexpensive and cost about $500. In order to charge a 200kw battery 0-100 you'd need 21-28 HOURS. That's fucktarded and frankly not workable.

At that point you need to set up a separate 100 amp circuit the wire alone costs like 5X what a 50amp wire costs... and we're talking 1000s of $. You'll also need a main panel upgrade... and you'll need a charger capable of 20KW, which normally costs 2-4K and is FAR less common. At that point you'll be able to get it down to a more acceptable 10 hrs 0-100%...

It is a HUGE hassle.

yea man I totes get all that, I am not a normie when it comes to all the EV stuff.

What I am saying is that if you only use, say 20% of the 200kwhr pack per day, thats 40kwhr's, and you plug into your typical 220 volt 40 amp charger delivering call it 8kw, you are fully topped up again in like 5-6 hours.

EVEN IF you do a lot of driving on a odd day and arrive home empty, 10 hours of charge gets you back to half way or so.... go to work and come home.... should be just about topped up the 2nd night.

This self imposed requirement to go from 0% to 100% overnight at home is stupid and not real world based all im sayin.

[MrH42]

IDK why the size of that battery gives a fuck about your home charger. Amps are amps, you have a fixed amount you can deliver with your current setup. That translates into some approximate amount of range per unit time, and as long as you dont consume more than you can deliver, WGAF?

Ah if you wanted to know let me explain.
Most house wiring is ok up to 50 amps. Once you go ABOVE 50 the costs spiral exponentially. The average house panel also tends to be 100amps, and some more modern homes have 200 amps. An average house can handle the extra 50amps no problem.

The average L2 charger is usually capped at 7.2-9.6KW or 40-48 amps they are relatively inexpensive and cost about $500. In order to charge a 200kw battery 0-100 you'd need 21-28 HOURS. That's fucktarded and frankly not workable.

At that point you need to set up a separate 100 amp circuit the wire alone costs like 5X what a 50amp wire costs... and we're talking 1000s of $. You'll also need a main panel upgrade... and you'll need a charger capable of 20KW, which normally costs 2-4K and is FAR less common. At that point you'll be able to get it down to a more acceptable 10 hrs 0-100%...

It is a HUGE hassle.

I think 20 hours is fine for a 200 kWh battery. You're not doing 400 mile trips every day and require an entire recharge overnight. That would be a wild use case.

I was curious so I asked CoPilot about the breakdown. 50-60% of homes have 200 amp main panels. Only 20-30% are on 100 amp panels. You can get the Ford charger for $600-$700 on eBay. It's not nearly as expensive to get a 20 kW setup as you think.

[golftdibrad1]

Ah if you wanted to know let me explain.
Most house wiring is ok up to 50 amps. Once you go ABOVE 50 the costs spiral exponentially. The average house panel also tends to be 100amps, and some more modern homes have 200 amps. An average house can handle the extra 50amps no problem.

The average L2 charger is usually capped at 7.2-9.6KW or 40-48 amps they are relatively inexpensive and cost about $500. In order to charge a 200kw battery 0-100 you'd need 21-28 HOURS. That's fucktarded and frankly not workable.

At that point you need to set up a separate 100 amp circuit the wire alone costs like 5X what a 50amp wire costs... and we're talking 1000s of $. You'll also need a main panel upgrade... and you'll need a charger capable of 20KW, which normally costs 2-4K and is FAR less common. At that point you'll be able to get it down to a more acceptable 10 hrs 0-100%...

It is a HUGE hassle.

I think 20 hours is fine for a 200 kWh battery. You're not doing 400 mile trips every day and require an entire recharge overnight. That would be a wild use case.

I was curious so I asked CoPilot about the breakdown. 50-60% of homes have 200 amp main panels. Only 20-30% are on 100 amp panels. You can get the Ford charger for $600-$700 on eBay. It's not nearly as expensive to get a 20 kW setup as you think.

your house has to be old AND small AND have NG for heating water and hvac to still be on 100 amp service. A lot houses built in the last 20 years have 400 amp service, esp if they are all electric.

My house is 95 years old and I have two 200 amp panels. I think it was upgraded in the 70's when they did a large renovation and added HVAC among other things.

[max225]

I’m on a 100, most around here that are under 2000 sq feet are on a hunnit. Modern is different. I ain’t got modern 4 Millie house money here so I’m stuck in a shack.

[max225]

Ah if you wanted to know let me explain.
Most house wiring is ok up to 50 amps. Once you go ABOVE 50 the costs spiral exponentially. The average house panel also tends to be 100amps, and some more modern homes have 200 amps. An average house can handle the extra 50amps no problem.

The average L2 charger is usually capped at 7.2-9.6KW or 40-48 amps they are relatively inexpensive and cost about $500. In order to charge a 200kw battery 0-100 you'd need 21-28 HOURS. That's fucktarded and frankly not workable.

At that point you need to set up a separate 100 amp circuit the wire alone costs like 5X what a 50amp wire costs... and we're talking 1000s of $. You'll also need a main panel upgrade... and you'll need a charger capable of 20KW, which normally costs 2-4K and is FAR less common. At that point you'll be able to get it down to a more acceptable 10 hrs 0-100%...

It is a HUGE hassle.

I think 20 hours is fine for a 200 kWh battery. You're not doing 400 mile trips every day and require an entire recharge overnight. That would be a wild use case.

I was curious so I asked CoPilot about the breakdown. 50-60% of homes have 200 amp main panels. Only 20-30% are on 100 amp panels. You can get the Ford charger for $600-$700 on eBay. It's not nearly as expensive to get a 20 kW setup as you think.

I was just quoting hypotheticals because it’s a fair comparison vs doing random math on what it takes to charge 30% due to all the other variables.

My buddy is averaging 1.3 miles per kWh in his Hummer, I did 1.9 on the Silverado. That’s roughly 13 and 19miles per hour charged… unless you go big. They are too inefficient to have a sub 10kwh charger. Again my opinion. I know someone people that permanently trickle charge out of a regular outlet and claim it’s “fine”.

My commute is 110 miles … in a Chevy I’d need 55kw… so yes it would happen overnight but I now have two evs… no way around either a second charger or permanent charging or both.

But my point was mainly around the big batteries an inefficient evs. They are better served by a separate 100 amp circuit and yes they are becoming more common now that the cars are.

[max225]

Shit ass pics.. imo GM should better with the Cadillac key. Looks exactly as peasant as the contractor Silverado

[Melon2.0]

Damn, nice interior, dare I say it's superior?

The key is a key fob, it's GM.
Mine has a red trim piece to match my red brake calipers.

[max225]

Damn, nice interior, dare I say it's superior?

The key is a key fob, it's GM.
Mine has a red trim piece to match my red brake calipers.

Nicest interior I have ever had. Not sure if carboner fiber is real but it's purdy as hell. Cuz sport

[Melon2.0]

Damn, nice interior, dare I say it's superior?

The key is a key fob, it's GM.
Mine has a red trim piece to match my red brake calipers.

Nicest interior I have ever had. Not sure if carboner fiber is real but it's purdy as hell. Cuz sport

It's real in the Blackwings.

[max225]

GM provides no info on anything... there isn't even a brochure for this car.

[CaleDeRoo]

Thang is nice nice

[Melon2.0]

It's real in the Blackwings.

[Melon2.0]

GM provides no info on anything... there isn't even a brochure for this car.

I know it's a new model but, there's no sales information online even?

[max225]

GM provides no info on anything... there isn't even a brochure for this car.

I know it's a new model but, there's no sales information online even?

There are no online brochures for 2026 model year vehicles. My car didn't come with a manual... the window sticker is useless... as it doesn't even list the battery size or HP of the vehicle. Kind of

These babies sell themselves, clearly.

[coogles]

Continuous screen all across the dash and another on the console? I know this is the way interiors are going, but man, total pass from me. Glad you dig it, though.

[max225]

It's real in the Blackwings.

Mine looks same. But in certains colors of light it changes color... so i was a bit I frankly if mine is real it looks great

[max225]

Continuous screen all across the dash and another on the console? I know this is the way interiors are going, but man, total pass from me. Glad you dig it, though.

Yep. That's how these screens are set up. The bottom one is a dedicated one for seat controls + hvac.

[Melon2.0]

Continuous screen all across the dash and another on the console? I know this is the way interiors are going, but man, total pass from me. Glad you dig it, though.

The CT5 got a wider screen for 2025 as part of the update. The CT4 remains the same. It's a poor seller and will probably be killed off, sadly.

[Melon2.0]

Yep. That's how these screens are set up. The bottom one is a dedicated one for seat controls + hvac.

I have physical buttons for the HVAC, it's nice.
Is the center screen easy to use?

[coogles]

Continuous screen all across the dash and another on the console? I know this is the way interiors are going, but man, total pass from me. Glad you dig it, though.

The CT5 got a wider screen for 2025 as part of the update. The CT4 remains the same. It's a poor seller and will probably be killed off, sadly.

Way too much screen, but at least the ct5 has some physical hvac controls.

[max225]

Yep. That's how these screens are set up. The bottom one is a dedicated one for seat controls + hvac.

I have physical buttons for the HVAC, it's nice.
Is the center screen easy to use?

Very. Super intuitive and you can drag the most used things to your liking and order. There are also short cuts for commonly used stuff like garage opener