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Car Talk 6: Best of times and Worst of Times
- MrH42
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I like that they're coming out with 150 mile electric range PHEV. I don't understand why they're insisting on a solid rear axle? My Lightning can tow 10k lbs with an independent suspension...
Just seems like a trade that most would prefer IRS if given the choice.
Just seems like a trade that most would prefer IRS if given the choice.
- Johnny_P
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The annoying part of car reviewers is they’re given the top trim to assess. On the Hondas the top trims get a ton of stuff that even one rung lower doesn’t get. The civic Sport with the 2.slow is the volume seller. And at that level I’d take a Jetta every day.D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:56 amYep, the 2.0 CVT is pretty terrible, wouldn't rent again. It also got worse FE than a Jetta which is pathetic.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:49 am
The Jetta seems like it’s back at the top of its game of affordability and drive. But nobody wants sedans. The CVT plus NA 2.slow that actually went down in power again from the Civic sounds pretty terrible to me. I’d rather have the Jetta at that level. But on the upper trims yeah it seems the Civic is the better option.
- max225
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How's your infotainment holding up? My buddies screen went blank/black and had to be restarted with the entire truck.MrH42 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:19 pm I like that they're coming out with 150 mile electric range PHEV. I don't understand why they're insisting on a solid rear axle? My Lightning can tow 10k lbs with an independent suspension...
Just seems like a trade that most would prefer IRS if given the choice.
- MrH42
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Had to be restarted as in, just cycle the car on and off once?max225 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:49 pmHow's your infotainment holding up? My buddies screen went blank/black and had to be restarted with the entire truck.MrH42 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:19 pm I like that they're coming out with 150 mile electric range PHEV. I don't understand why they're insisting on a solid rear axle? My Lightning can tow 10k lbs with an independent suspension...
Just seems like a trade that most would prefer IRS if given the choice.
Mine has been pretty rock solid. Few annoying issues on trying to get all the trucks updated, but now most are running the latest version on most modules. Only thing I'm kind of unhappy with is there have been zero BlueCruise updates so far. I think now they've got the updating mostly fixed, ideally I'll get some upgrades on Bluecruise.
- max225
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Had to restart the whole . He’s still mostly moving his thing also. I drove it a few times and it’s a great vehicle imo. Just built kinda shoddyMrH42 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:12 pmHad to be restarted as in, just cycle the car on and off once?
Mine has been pretty rock solid. Few annoying issues on trying to get all the trucks updated, but now most are running the latest version on most modules. Only thing I'm kind of unhappy with is there have been zero BlueCruise updates so far. I think now they've got the updating mostly fixed, ideally I'll get some upgrades on Bluecruise.
He's probably just stashing some suitcases in there
- Desertbreh
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That IRS in the Lightning is BEEFY AF.MrH42 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:19 pm I like that they're coming out with 150 mile electric range PHEV. I don't understand why they're insisting on a solid rear axle? My Lightning can tow 10k lbs with an independent suspension...
Just seems like a trade that most would prefer IRS if given the choice.
Agreed, it's kind of funny they're really dying on the green hill... the whole concept of every vehicle being AWD kind of goes against the green initiative.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:15 pmYeah but I think Subaru is going to be in some trouble soon as well. Their cars appeal to greenies but they have no hybrids or PHEV that is worth a damn. Supposedly changing soon I guess.D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:55 am
I am with you, I think it could've if they'd done a $45K hybrid. It brings back the charm of VW from the 60s-90s that is all but lost today. I think VW filled a really special niche - basically appealing to people who wanted something a bit outside the status quo but maybe weren't committed to full enthusiast vehicles. I think Subaru has taken this over really well - they are a statement vehicle that says 'I love the outdoors, adventure, dogs, blah' and it really sells, even to people who give no shits about any of that stuff.
I don’t think the new beetle saved VW as much as them fully leaning into and owning the Euro trash stigma and turning out cars with personality. I mean the VeeDub commercials with the German scientist and techno music were hilarious but they added personality to every car at the time. The GTI got plaid seats. The Passat and Jetta were downright nice ass vehicles. 5 cylinder motors. Etc. It was the fact that they were doing stuff different that saved them.
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Love doesn't get stuck in the snow.D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:16 pmAgreed, it's kind of funny they're really dying on the green hill... the whole concept of every vehicle being AWD kind of goes against the green initiative.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:15 pm
Yeah but I think Subaru is going to be in some trouble soon as well. Their cars appeal to greenies but they have no hybrids or PHEV that is worth a damn. Supposedly changing soon I guess.
I don’t think the new beetle saved VW as much as them fully leaning into and owning the Euro trash stigma and turning out cars with personality. I mean the VeeDub commercials with the German scientist and techno music were hilarious but they added personality to every car at the time. The GTI got plaid seats. The Passat and Jetta were downright nice ass vehicles. 5 cylinder motors. Etc. It was the fact that they were doing stuff different that saved them.
- Johnny_P
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Yeah it is a little counter intuitive. I guess they were really targeting outdoor lifestyle people which for a while meant AWD. But now it means more than just throwing on some hiking boots and stopping to buy clif bars at REI before you park in a gravel lot and walk your 1/4 mile hike on a crushed gravel path to the waterfall. There’s a lot of crossover with outdoor types and people that want less of a carbon footprint.D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:16 pmAgreed, it's kind of funny they're really dying on the green hill... the whole concept of every vehicle being AWD kind of goes against the green initiative.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:15 pm
Yeah but I think Subaru is going to be in some trouble soon as well. Their cars appeal to greenies but they have no hybrids or PHEV that is worth a damn. Supposedly changing soon I guess.
I don’t think the new beetle saved VW as much as them fully leaning into and owning the Euro trash stigma and turning out cars with personality. I mean the VeeDub commercials with the German scientist and techno music were hilarious but they added personality to every car at the time. The GTI got plaid seats. The Passat and Jetta were downright nice ass vehicles. 5 cylinder motors. Etc. It was the fact that they were doing stuff different that saved them.
- Johnny_P
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To be fair my STI was a fucking animal in the snow. Even on summer tires that thing was unstoppable.
- MexicanYarisTK
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i keep seeing alarming number of tesla sitting in preowned lots of various makes.
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- MexicanYarisTK
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Same goes for parents cucktrek. There is a main hilly road for the last snow with last minute warnings of it. Bus, bunch of econoboxes and cuvs are stuck. It was just a tesla and me that managed to make it uphill without any hiccups. Loved it.
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- MexicanYarisTK
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Vw in europe vs us, literally the only car they have in common anymore is the GTI/R, id4 perhaps Arteon which has been doing extremely poorly in the US.golftdibrad1 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:20 amsadly i think you are right. VW might be toast in the US at least.
They created their own models, i feel like Taos kinda reminds me of skoda or seat cuv's and vw snatched it and sell it to us to make it affordable
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