Car Talk 6: Best of times and Worst of Times

[Desertbreh]

Honestly if I was going to drop 60K on a Jeep I would just buy an Ienos Grenadier. YOLO.

These things are a surprisingly decent value. But I hear the steering is atrocious

It doesn't matter. Somebody pretty much made an 80's Land Rover 110 with a B58 and a ZF8 speed. I think they are cooler than hell and I would risk the startup thing.

[max225]

These things are a surprisingly decent value. But I hear the steering is atrocious

It doesn't matter. Somebody pretty much made an 80's Land Rover 110 with a B58 and a ZF8 speed. I think they are cooler than hell and I would risk the startup thing.

It actually is bad enough that it does matter. Which is why I brought it up. It’s 4 turns lock to lock and it can’t keep a straight line on the freeway.

[Desertbreh]

It doesn't matter. Somebody pretty much made an 80's Land Rover 110 with a B58 and a ZF8 speed. I think they are cooler than hell and I would risk the startup thing.

It actually is bad enough that it does matter. Which is why I brought it up. It’s 4 turns lock to lock and it can’t keep a straight line on the freeway.

I would have to give it a try. I have a mancrush on Ienos.

[Desertbreh]

It doesn't matter. Somebody pretty much made an 80's Land Rover 110 with a B58 and a ZF8 speed. I think they are cooler than hell and I would risk the startup thing.

It actually is bad enough that it does matter. Which is why I brought it up. It’s 4 turns lock to lock and it can’t keep a straight line on the freeway.

https://www.topgear.com/long-term-car-r ... o/report-2

[J-Ho-Fo-Show69]

It actually is bad enough that it does matter. Which is why I brought it up. It’s 4 turns lock to lock and it can’t keep a straight line on the freeway.

https://www.topgear.com/long-term-car-r ... o/report-2

2 door version might be hot
http://www.moveelectric.com/e-cars/ineo ... ctory-2026

[Melon2.0]

https://www.topgear.com/long-term-car-r ... o/report-2

2 door version might be hot
http://www.moveelectric.com/e-cars/ineo ... ctory-2026

Ripe for a 4BT swap.

[max225]

https://www.topgear.com/long-term-car-r ... o/report-2

2 door version might be hot
http://www.moveelectric.com/e-cars/ineo ... ctory-2026

I don’t understand a small 2 door ev 4x4. You can’t travel in them. And they suck for around town in terms of ride quality etc.

[J-Ho-Fo-Show69]

2 door version might be hot
http://www.moveelectric.com/e-cars/ineo ... ctory-2026

I don’t understand a small 2 door ev 4x4. You can’t travel in them. And they suck for around town in terms of ride quality etc.

You’ll never get it then….

[J-Ho-Fo-Show69]

2 door version might be hot
http://www.moveelectric.com/e-cars/ineo ... ctory-2026

Ripe for a 4BT swap.

[CaleDeRoo]

[MrH42]

They're so cool. Who needs steering anyways? Just Canyonero over all things.

[D Griff]

Honestly if I was going to drop 60K on a Jeep I would just buy an Ienos Grenadier. YOLO.

These things are a surprisingly decent value. But I hear the steering is atrocious

Same on though.

[Melon2.0]

The instant torque would be amazing off-road.

[MrH42]

These things are a surprisingly decent value. But I hear the steering is atrocious

Same on though.

The first time I drove a , I was shocked people put up with them as a daily everywhere. I get it for a top off, weekend crawler thing, but to commute 16k miles/yr in?

[D Griff]

Same on though.

The first time I drove a , I was shocked people put up with them as a daily everywhere. I get it for a top off, weekend crawler thing, but to commute 16k miles/yr in?

It's OK around town but definitely not great on the highway. We drove cross country in it... fortunately it was still new enough to be exciting and we did actually do some off roading, but still... I would've liked a normal car at times.

[D Griff]

Now I want to drive a Grenadier to see if it's actually worse (which would be ).

[D Griff]

The stupid CX5 did make me enjoy the Wrangler more. It drives nearly as bad (kind of worse with how bad the driver's aids are), which makes me appreciate that at least the is cool while driving like poo poo.

[max225]

These things are a surprisingly decent value. But I hear the steering is atrocious

Same on though.

I hear things got better after the switched aluminum steering gear back to metal... i think around 2020? I haven't driven a Grenadier so I can't really say, but it was a strange theme with every reviewer that they essentially mentioned the steering as making the car quite terrible to drive... Curious myself..
I mean a Defender does the same shit and is quite a bit better as a daily and it roams the same price point... so Grenadier is a tough sell IMO. Especially since the company will go belly up the second the billionaire owner gets bored of it.

[max225]

The stupid CX5 did make me enjoy the Wrangler more. It drives nearly as bad (kind of worse with how bad the driver's aids are), which makes me appreciate that at least the is cool while driving like poo poo.

I don't know that jeeps drive THAT bad... it's not great for sure but its "ok". And the simplicity ... everything has a knob not a screen is quite nice. as is the overall shape/size and general visibility/practicality/ease of service and fantastic aftermarket support.

A 4 runner for ex has better steering, but the 4.slow and 5 speed auto are terrible compared to a jeep so to me it's a net neutral decision.

[max225]

The new GX550 and Land Cruiser are also interesting comparison vehicles to the Grenadier... a bit cheaper and quite the lookers as well.

I think the unspoken issue with the grenadier is the height... the thing is 80" tall... for ex that doesn't fit in a lot of garages because of the door heights and it also doesn't fit a lot of parking garages... The defender is 77.7" tall and I had issues with that in Palm Springs... had to lower the car a few times using the air suspension in order to clear garages... it was quite... nerve wrecking to be honest.

[D Griff]

The stupid CX5 did make me enjoy the Wrangler more. It drives nearly as bad (kind of worse with how bad the driver's aids are), which makes me appreciate that at least the is cool while driving like poo poo.

I don't know that jeeps drive THAT bad... it's not great for sure but its "ok". And the simplicity ... everything has a knob not a screen is quite nice. as is the overall shape/size and general visibility/practicality/ease of service and fantastic aftermarket support.

A 4 runner for ex has better steering, but the 4.slow and 5 speed auto are terrible compared to a jeep so to me it's a net neutral decision.

Yeah the Jeep has a good power train, bad steering, and handles like you’d expect it too. Seems on par with the Grenadier. I’d love to test drive one. It surprises me a bit that they seem to be selling decent. I see them around pretty regularly.

[D Griff]

Also, I might trust the start up machine with BMW engine more than a Land Rover product.

[dubshow]

i love them. odd bird for sure but ineos aint a small company. I think its wild they went for this and applaud it. The owner must be a genuine car nut.

[dubshow]

Also, I might trust the start up machine with BMW engine more than a Land Rover product.

they outsourced the critical parts and picked decent stuff.

[Desertbreh]

Same on though.

I hear things got better after the switched aluminum steering gear back to metal... i think around 2020? I haven't driven a Grenadier so I can't really say, but it was a strange theme with every reviewer that they essentially mentioned the steering as making the car quite terrible to drive... Curious myself..
I mean a Defender does the same shit and is quite a bit better as a daily and it roams the same price point... so Grenadier is a tough sell IMO. Especially since the company will go belly up the second the billionaire owner gets bored of it.

Right but for long term hold guys you are left with a B58/ZF8 which is way better than some multiple forced induction RR shite.