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Same, although all I can find in the local O'Reilly is the "Extended Performance"
They advertise it for 20,000 miles used with their EP filter.
I'm sure there's reasoning behind this but conventional wisdom has me skeptical.
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golftdibrad1 wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:29 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:18 pm

I tried watching it but since it’s a “sponsored by Mobil 1 vid” I turned it off.

Can you cliffs ?
water in oil bad. hybrids dont get hot enough to boil off water as often. new oils made for hybrid can help with emulsifiers.
I didn't watch... but anecdotally, there are millions of Prii with a fuckton of miles and near zero maintenance running all over the world.

:notsure: I'd be too concerned.
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D Griff wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:52 pm
golftdibrad1 wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:29 pm

water in oil bad. hybrids dont get hot enough to boil off water as often. new oils made for hybrid can help with emulsifiers.
I didn't watch... but anecdotally, there are millions of Prii with a fuckton of miles and near zero maintenance running all over the world.

:notsure: I'd be too concerned.
Toyota quality is in the absolute shitter. And they extended their intervals to 10k miles which is diabolical imo.

I’d be concerned with any vehicle running on their piss water 0w20. It kind of makes me lose sleep at night … it’s not a very good oil imo at that viscosity. But it won’t show for 10s of thousands of miles
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Bruh 0w20 is old news, Toyota is pushing 0w16 these days.
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coogles wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:37 pm Bruh 0w20 is old news, Toyota is pushing 0w16 these days.
https://autoparts.serratoyota.com/produ ... d_source=1

Raise you to 0w8
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coogles wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:37 pm Bruh 0w20 is old news, Toyota is pushing 0w16 these days.
:nope: Another reason to DIY my oil changes at home even though the :dillerman: ones are free. I'm a 5W30 man.
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D Griff wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:52 pm
golftdibrad1 wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:29 pm

water in oil bad. hybrids dont get hot enough to boil off water as often. new oils made for hybrid can help with emulsifiers.
I didn't watch... but anecdotally, there are millions of Prii with a fuckton of miles and near zero maintenance running all over the world.

:notsure: I'd be too concerned.
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D Griff wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:52 pm
golftdibrad1 wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:29 pm

water in oil bad. hybrids dont get hot enough to boil off water as often. new oils made for hybrid can help with emulsifiers.
I didn't watch... but anecdotally, there are millions of Prii with a fuckton of miles and near zero maintenance running all over the world.

:notsure: I'd be too concerned.
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$7500 on the hood of Jeep 4XE's, $6K on Grand Cherokee. What goes up, must come down.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:21 pm Earn it and burn it, Val.
max225 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 5:35 pm Yes it's a cool car. But prepare the lube/sawdust.
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Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:13 pm $7500 on the hood of Jeep 4XE's, $6K on Grand Cherokee. What goes up, must come down.
I said the same thing about my cock, but the damn thing won’t go down.
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Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:13 pm $7500 on the hood of Jeep 4XE's, $6K on Grand Cherokee. What goes up, must come down.
Cus they're all mid recall
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Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:13 pm $7500 on the hood of Jeep 4XE's, $6K on Grand Cherokee. What goes up, must come down.
It's gotta be closer to 20k here. But they are also 30k overpriced.
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16k if you qualify for the tax credit or 11k if you don't.... without "negotiating" but I frankly don't understand the pricing models of stellantis cars/trucks.

Because it is the least transparent and easy to follow in the entire business. The MSRPs are also absolutely mental. Nothing in a JEEP WRANGLER is worth anything over 50k.... the fact that mid tiered wranglers are over 60k MSRP is just lunacy. Only to be discounted by deep 5 figures
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max225 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:52 pm https://www.sanleandrocdjr.com/inventor ... xrw217687/

16k if you qualify for the tax credit or 11k if you don't.... without "negotiating" but I frankly don't understand the pricing models of stellantis cars/trucks.

Because it is the least transparent and easy to follow in the entire business. The MSRPs are also absolutely mental. Nothing in a JEEP WRANGLER is worth anything over 50k.... the fact that mid tiered wranglers are over 60k MSRP is just lunacy. Only to be discounted by deep 5 figures
If you want a Jeep/Bronco you want one. Such lifestyle vehicle. As I have commented/complained before, they are ageless in term of public perception and depreciation, which makes them a long term hold.
Jho has a TJ. He is cool! What a classic! Great rig. J ho has a 2000 Cadillac Seville. He is a poor. He is an idiot.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:21 pm Earn it and burn it, Val.
max225 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 5:35 pm Yes it's a cool car. But prepare the lube/sawdust.
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Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:22 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:52 pm https://www.sanleandrocdjr.com/inventor ... xrw217687/

16k if you qualify for the tax credit or 11k if you don't.... without "negotiating" but I frankly don't understand the pricing models of stellantis cars/trucks.

Because it is the least transparent and easy to follow in the entire business. The MSRPs are also absolutely mental. Nothing in a JEEP WRANGLER is worth anything over 50k.... the fact that mid tiered wranglers are over 60k MSRP is just lunacy. Only to be discounted by deep 5 figures
If you want a Jeep/Bronco you want one. Such lifestyle vehicle. As I have commented/complained before, they are ageless in term of public perception and depreciation, which makes them a long term hold.
Jho has a TJ. He is cool! What a classic! Great rig. J ho has a 2000 Cadillac Seville. He is a poor. He is an idiot.
Yea. If only the bronco didn’t have a wet belt driven oil pump…
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max225 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:31 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:22 pm

If you want a Jeep/Bronco you want one. Such lifestyle vehicle. As I have commented/complained before, they are ageless in term of public perception and depreciation, which makes them a long term hold.
Jho has a TJ. He is cool! What a classic! Great rig. J ho has a 2000 Cadillac Seville. He is a poor. He is an idiot.
Yea. If only the bronco didn’t have a wet belt driven oil pump…
I think the 2.3 with the factory toon is the way to go in Broncoland.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:21 pm Earn it and burn it, Val.
max225 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 5:35 pm Yes it's a cool car. But prepare the lube/sawdust.
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Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:37 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:31 pm

Yea. If only the bronco didn’t have a wet belt driven oil pump…
I think the 2.3 with the factory toon is the way to go in Broncoland.
Yea but it sounds like a fucking blender
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max225 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:46 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:37 pm

I think the 2.3 with the factory toon is the way to go in Broncoland.
Yea but it sounds like a fucking blender
All the sub 392 options leave much to be desired.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:21 pm Earn it and burn it, Val.
max225 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 5:35 pm Yes it's a cool car. But prepare the lube/sawdust.
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max225 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:52 pm https://www.sanleandrocdjr.com/inventor ... xrw217687/

16k if you qualify for the tax credit or 11k if you don't.... without "negotiating" but I frankly don't understand the pricing models of stellantis cars/trucks.

Because it is the least transparent and easy to follow in the entire business. The MSRPs are also absolutely mental. Nothing in a JEEP WRANGLER is worth anything over 50k.... the fact that mid tiered wranglers are over 60k MSRP is just lunacy. Only to be discounted by deep 5 figures
It's like those stores where everything is on sale all the time! People want to feel like they're getting a good deal, even if the product is steaming garbage (Wrangler excluded).
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MrH42 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:03 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:52 pm https://www.sanleandrocdjr.com/inventor ... xrw217687/

16k if you qualify for the tax credit or 11k if you don't.... without "negotiating" but I frankly don't understand the pricing models of stellantis cars/trucks.

Because it is the least transparent and easy to follow in the entire business. The MSRPs are also absolutely mental. Nothing in a JEEP WRANGLER is worth anything over 50k.... the fact that mid tiered wranglers are over 60k MSRP is just lunacy. Only to be discounted by deep 5 figures
It's like those stores where everything is on sale all the time! People want to feel like they're getting a good deal, even if the product is steaming garbage (Wrangler excluded).
I think Jeep disbanded the entire management structure also… seems like the company is falling apart. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go belly up
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max225 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:53 pm
MrH42 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:03 pm

It's like those stores where everything is on sale all the time! People want to feel like they're getting a good deal, even if the product is steaming garbage (Wrangler excluded).
I think Jeep disbanded the entire management structure also… seems like the company is falling apart. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go belly up
:yesth: the JLU will be a classic.

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D Griff wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:41 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:53 pm

I think Jeep disbanded the entire management structure also… seems like the company is falling apart. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go belly up
:yesth: the JLU will be a classic.

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Holding on until my TJ is worth more than it was new!
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Honestly if I was going to drop 60K on a Jeep I would just buy an Ienos Grenadier. YOLO.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:21 pm Earn it and burn it, Val.
max225 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 5:35 pm Yes it's a cool car. But prepare the lube/sawdust.
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Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:59 pm Honestly if I was going to drop 60K on a Jeep I would just buy an Ienos Grenadier. YOLO.
These things are a surprisingly decent value. But I hear the steering is atrocious
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Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:59 pm Honestly if I was going to drop 60K on a Jeep I would just buy an Ienos Grenadier. YOLO.
Those aren’t too highly priced honestly. In comparison.

I feel you could say every vehicle is overpriced. In what world is a TURD pro taco a $70k truck? Or a Miata a $40k car? Make it make sense.

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