Valkyrie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:10 pm
MrH42 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:36 am
I'm more than happy to have this discussion in good faith.
If you want to talk about specific policies, I can give you my thoughts on it, but it's pointless if you're just going to assume the worst about people that disagree with you. I know this is a very personal and heated topic for you, but I just ask that you assume that we're all acting with good intentions. It's a complicated and nuanced topic for sure, but government intervention isn't the solution most of the time either.
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argument seems to be that no one should be allowed to mention gender to any child other than their own, because he says so. But with exceptions for whatever he deems morally correct because he knows best.
Interesting that you seem to be against this kind of restriction being implemented, yet also think that he's right?
I'm not saying that camp shouldn't be "allowed", I think it's just really awful to push overtly political things on kids and to make that your mission statement. Let the free market decide if it's a bad idea. I will say, if you want to run a successful summer camp, that's not how you attract parents to sign their kids up.
Now, schools are a bit of a different topic. Tax dollars are funding this, and being overtly political in nature is not fair game IMO. I don't think gender ideology should be taught in schools. If or how that's legislated, I would need to see the details. It's very much a slippery slope and can be used by either side, so I'm hesitant to say we should just write laws for everything, but a huge majority of public schools fail to meet basic educational metrics. They have much more important things to worry about than trying to teach gender theory.
I think you're coming at this from a completely different perspective though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears you think the concept of gender is a completely fluid, abstract thing that is independent of biological sex? And that this is objective fact and settled? Is that right? Just want to make sure I'm understanding you.
I think that's where a large portion of the population disagrees. I don't think the basics of gender ideology hold up to basic deductive reasoning. That's not to say that gender dysphoria doesn't exist, and transgender people aren't a real thing. It very much is, and I think the vast majority of people don't care what adults do in their personal lives. The issue is trying to push these ideas on kids, that's what is causing the massive cultural backlash now.