Das Auto: VW Chat

D Griff · Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:14 am

I take more issue with knock off cars as cars actually take a ton of development and design, manufacturing prowess, etc. Any China company could make fucking AirPods with zero issues and sell them profitably for 20% of the price. Good for Apple for winning at capitalism in that case, but I judge everyone who pays the $200.

max225 · Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:30 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:14 am I take more issue with knock off cars as cars actually take a ton of development and design, manufacturing prowess, etc. Any China company could make fucking AirPods with zero issues and sell them profitably for 20% of the price. Good for Apple for winning at capitalism in that case, but I judge everyone who pays the $200.

Considering I work in the field I find issues with your sentiment and how you think the $:math:$ works. There is no way to make a competitor to air pods for even 1/2 of their COGs, you will sacrifice something. Also any manufacturer makes about 1/2 of the retail price you pay ... at best

D Griff · Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:53 am

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:30 am
D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:14 am I take more issue with knock off cars as cars actually take a ton of development and design, manufacturing prowess, etc. Any China company could make fucking AirPods with zero issues and sell them profitably for 20% of the price. Good for Apple for winning at capitalism in that case, but I judge everyone who pays the $200.
Considering I work in the field I find issues with your sentiment and how you think the $:math:$ works. There is no way to make a competitor to air pods for even 1/2 of their COGs, you will sacrifice something. Also any manufacturer makes about 1/2 of the retail price you pay ... at best

I work for a consumer electronics manufacturer as well. We don't make headphones, but I can tell you that speakers are one of the highest margin profits I know of. Also, there are hundreds of BT headphones available that do the same thing for 1/10 the price. Apple commands a premium which in some cases is justified, as things like the laptops and phones are quite nice, but these headphones just aren't adding up to me. I also have a degree in audio engineering and have been working in the audio business for 13 years.

max225 · Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:00 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:53 am
max225 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:30 am

Considering I work in the field I find issues with your sentiment and how you think the $:math:$ works. There is no way to make a competitor to air pods for even 1/2 of their COGs, you will sacrifice something. Also any manufacturer makes about 1/2 of the retail price you pay ... at best
I work for a consumer electronics manufacturer as well. We don't make headphones, but I can tell you that speakers are one of the highest margin profits I know of. Also, there are hundreds of BT headphones available that do the same thing for 1/10 the price. Apple commands a premium which in some cases is justified, as things like the laptops and phones are quite nice, but these headphones just aren't adding up to me. I also have a degree in audio engineering and have been working in the audio business for 13 years.

How much do you think a pair of air pods costs to manufacture and get to the US?

D Griff · Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:08 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:00 pm
D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:53 am

I work for a consumer electronics manufacturer as well. We don't make headphones, but I can tell you that speakers are one of the highest margin profits I know of. Also, there are hundreds of BT headphones available that do the same thing for 1/10 the price. Apple commands a premium which in some cases is justified, as things like the laptops and phones are quite nice, but these headphones just aren't adding up to me. I also have a degree in audio engineering and have been working in the audio business for 13 years.
How much do you think a pair of air pods costs to manufacture and get to the US?

I would assume $10-20?

max225 · Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:10 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:08 pm
max225 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:00 pm

How much do you think a pair of air pods costs to manufacture and get to the US?
I would assume $10-20?

max225 · Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:12 pm

Just FYI they are closer to $70. Lets just say you can "retail" them for $159 You still pay a retailer at least another 30% ... Apple has the biggest advantage over other due to the fact that they have their own stores.

razr390 · Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:29 pm

The way Apple wins with AirPods is because they literally caused a switch in industry. Sure, be they as overpriced as you may assume they are, they made “wireless headphones” the industry norm by showing you can pack “decent” sound with good ergonomics in a portable design.

Can’t hate them for that.

Johnny_P · Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:10 pm

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:29 pm The way Apple wins with AirPods is because they literally caused a switch in industry. Sure, be they as overpriced as you may assume they are, they made “wireless headphones” the industry norm by showing you can pack “decent” sound with good ergonomics in a portable design.

Can’t hate them for that.

They also removed the headphone jack, forcing the new norm.

Apex · Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:13 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:10 pm
razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:29 pm The way Apple wins with AirPods is because they literally caused a switch in industry. Sure, be they as overpriced as you may assume they are, they made “wireless headphones” the industry norm by showing you can pack “decent” sound with good ergonomics in a portable design.

Can’t hate them for that.
They also removed the headphone jack, forcing the new norm.

Plug in to lightning port.

D Griff · Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:16 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:12 pm Just FYI they are closer to $70. Lets just say you can "retail" them for $159 You still pay a retailer at least another 30% ... Apple has the biggest advantage over other due to the fact that they have their own stores.

What is it that's so expensive? I guess miniaturized electronics?

Truth be told I've never heard them, but I think expensive ear buds are kind of dumb in general. Get real headphones if you want to :troywax:

, IMO. But different strokes, can't knock Apple for minting money on a product everyone inexplicably wants.

max225 · Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:17 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:16 pm
max225 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:12 pm Just FYI they are closer to $70. Lets just say you can "retail" them for $159 You still pay a retailer at least another 30% ... Apple has the biggest advantage over other due to the fact that they have their own stores.

What is it that's so expensive? I guess miniaturized electronics?

Truth be told I've never heard them, but I think expensive ear buds are kind of dumb in general. Get real headphones if you want to , IMO. But different strokes, can't knock Apple for minting money on a product everyone inexplicably wants.

It's not "expensive" per say it's just quality components cost money. At points you have pay 2x for 20% better performance etc. Doing something as good as apple doesn't come cheap.

razr390 · Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:30 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:16 pm
max225 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:12 pm Just FYI they are closer to $70. Lets just say you can "retail" them for $159 You still pay a retailer at least another 30% ... Apple has the biggest advantage over other due to the fact that they have their own stores.

What is it that's so expensive? I guess miniaturized electronics?

Truth be told I've never heard them, but I think expensive ear buds are kind of dumb in general. Get real headphones if you want to , IMO. But different strokes, can't knock Apple for minting money on a product everyone inexplicably wants.

I think it’s packing all of that into such a portable package. I don’t think anyone is saying that $200 AirPods are better than $200 over the eat headphones, however, there’s no denying that the AirPods are more seamless if you’re wearing them out in public, and generally easier to live with if you are commuting or whatnot.

I personally couldn’t get into wearing my over the ears in public, and I had two pairs of Beats Solo (pre- & post- Apple ownership) among others. They feel so cumbersome and they cancel too much noise for my preference.

MexicanYarisTK · Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:01 am

razr390 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:30 pm
D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:16 pm

What is it that's so expensive? I guess miniaturized electronics?

Truth be told I've never heard them, but I think expensive ear buds are kind of dumb in general. Get real headphones if you want to , IMO. But different strokes, can't knock Apple for minting money on a product everyone inexplicably wants.
I think it’s packing all of that into such a portable package. I don’t think anyone is saying that $200 AirPods are better than $200 over the eat headphones, however, there’s no denying that the AirPods are more seamless if you’re wearing them out in public, and generally easier to live with if you are commuting or whatnot.

I personally couldn’t get into wearing my over the ears in public, and I had two pairs of Beats Solo (pre- & post- Apple ownership) among others. They feel so cumbersome and they cancel too much noise for my preference.

I recently got myself AirPods, and let me tell you, the sound output is actually better than beats power3 :hue:

One thing I love about my beats over AirPods, it has 20 hour charge life, and no charging in between. I personally dig how after you charge AirPods with the case as it charges them, once you take them out it automatically turns on. But I do hate charging it every day if I go to gym, work at a coffee shop and whatnot, still doesn't take long to charge atleast 70 percent.

Johnny_P · Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:49 pm

2021 A3 sedan looking fresh

Those boxed out wheel fenders :datass:

remind me of an OG WRX actually.

troyguitar · Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:57 pm

I think the newest A3 and A4 both look great in real colors. A base A3 quattro with the sport package in like bright metallic whatever would be a sweet ride. Add some RS3 sway bars and light :ramz:

for

and enjoy. Then :tuna:

for

max225 · Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:09 pm

A 1.8 powered A3 or a 2.0 powered one... The 1.8 seems to be a dog.

troyguitar · Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:12 pm

Isn't the 1.8 FWD not available here? I was thinking 2.0T AWD.

max225 · Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:13 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:12 pm Isn't the 1.8 FWD not available here? I was thinking 2.0T AWD.

The 1.8 FWD was certainly available earlier... when i was looking into these.
The 2.slow was actually a great little bugger, I wouldn't even tune it, it had plenty of power IMO for a car as such.

I don't understand why the tuners don't release a normal tune that basically adds say 30-40 WHP instead of 70-140 or whatever the :fullretard:

numbers are. A a minimal power increase the reliability should remain and the car would be a lot more fun. Without some random catastrophic dolphin failure.

troyguitar · Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:34 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:13 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:12 pm Isn't the 1.8 FWD not available here? I was thinking 2.0T AWD.
The 1.8 FWD was certainly available earlier... when i was looking into these.
The 2.slow was actually a great little bugger, I wouldn't even tune it, it had plenty of power IMO for a car as such.

I don't understand why the tuners don't release a normal tune that basically adds say 30-40 WHP instead of 70-140 or whatever the numbers are. A a minimal power increase the reliability should remain and the car would be a lot more fun. Without some random catastrophic dolphin failure.

APR has a "low torque" option at least for the GTI to help

bros on stock clutches.

MexicanYarisTK · Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:36 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:34 pm
max225 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:13 pm

The 1.8 FWD was certainly available earlier... when i was looking into these.
The 2.slow was actually a great little bugger, I wouldn't even tune it, it had plenty of power IMO for a car as such.

I don't understand why the tuners don't release a normal tune that basically adds say 30-40 WHP instead of 70-140 or whatever the numbers are. A a minimal power increase the reliability should remain and the car would be a lot more fun. Without some random catastrophic dolphin failure.
APR has a "low torque" option at least for the GTI to help bros on stock clutches.

and even people still manage to slip it, probably couldn't concentrate since they ran out of vape juice. Also fuck APR.

CaleDeRoo · Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:54 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:13 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:12 pm Isn't the 1.8 FWD not available here? I was thinking 2.0T AWD.
The 1.8 FWD was certainly available earlier... when i was looking into these.
The 2.slow was actually a great little bugger, I wouldn't even tune it, it had plenty of power IMO for a car as such.

I don't understand why the tuners don't release a normal tune that basically adds say 30-40 WHP instead of 70-140 or whatever the numbers are. A a minimal power increase the reliability should remain and the car would be a lot more fun. Without some random catastrophic dolphin failure.

I think the Berger JB1 basically adds like 25-40whp. Plug and play too

max225 · Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:25 pm

The downside is the gti now runs on regular so you’d gain the power but for some of you, the running costs would go up 30-60% which is just :fullretard:

if you ask me

Wocka Wocka · Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:11 am

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:25 pm The downside is the gti now runs on regular so you’d gain the power but for some of you, the running costs would go up 30-60% which is just if you ask me

I've never been so glad to not own something that runs on premium. The pricing is crazy. When I bought my GTI in 2011, it there was only like a 30 cent difference. Now, I can't recall the last time I saw anything less than 80 cents between 87 and 91 around me

MexicanYarisTK · Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:33 am

Wocka Wocka wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:11 am
max225 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:25 pm The downside is the gti now runs on regular so you’d gain the power but for some of you, the running costs would go up 30-60% which is just if you ask me
I've never been so glad to not own something that runs on premium. The pricing is crazy. When I bought my GTI in 2011, it there was only like a 30 cent difference. Now, I can't recall the last time I saw anything less than 80 cents between 87 and 91 around me

You also from the dead forum too? What was your username?