I agree, but that wasn't the proper time for political jabs.dubshow wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:56 ameh, we could just throw a dart at the last 50 years of poor decisions.Huckleberry wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:42 am I liked the part where he blamed Obama for last night's attack.
Obama giving them aid/money was just another footnote of US poor policy.
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I continually fail to understand why everyone is so surprised Iran hates us.
Back in 1953 the US and Great Britain managed to overthrow the Iranian government at the time (a secular, free democracy) because the prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, wanted to audit the British Petroleum-operated oil company that had been essentially running Iran's oil production since 1901. He wanted Iranian independence and to nationalize the oil production of Iran and get Britain out of its oil business, which of course the Brits and the US couldn't let happen because why pay for oil when you can steal Iran's for free, so Mosaddegh was overthrown and a dictator friendly to the West, Pahlavi, was put in place instead. But by the 1970s Iran was in turmoil in large part due to this man. His family sucked up much of the oil money rather than use it to invest in the country, inflation ran rampant, political parties other than his own were banned and eventually the military killed 64 protesters in 1978.
While it's true that Mosaddegh had begun to lose support from the the base wanting a Muslim government even as far back as the early 50's, he is now one of the most revered politicians in Iranian history precisely because the US and Britain decided to stick their noses where they don't belong, then the guy put in place by the western states turned out to be a disaster, and even though the people got what they wanted in 1979 when he was overthrown, the series of events leading up to that is still viewed as the beginning of a period of nearly 70 years of interference in Iran by the West.
Even now the US is blocking the sale of Iranian oil to anyone who deals with US, which is having disastrous consequences on the economy as Iran's oil exports have fallen by more than 80%. That in itself is already an act of war, and Iran is supposed to be happy to come to the table and make more concessions when the US is taking that kind of preemptive step? It's bananas. There are some bad dudes in Iran who support some awful things, but my word this administration is clueless on how to actually address those things.
Back in 1953 the US and Great Britain managed to overthrow the Iranian government at the time (a secular, free democracy) because the prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, wanted to audit the British Petroleum-operated oil company that had been essentially running Iran's oil production since 1901. He wanted Iranian independence and to nationalize the oil production of Iran and get Britain out of its oil business, which of course the Brits and the US couldn't let happen because why pay for oil when you can steal Iran's for free, so Mosaddegh was overthrown and a dictator friendly to the West, Pahlavi, was put in place instead. But by the 1970s Iran was in turmoil in large part due to this man. His family sucked up much of the oil money rather than use it to invest in the country, inflation ran rampant, political parties other than his own were banned and eventually the military killed 64 protesters in 1978.
While it's true that Mosaddegh had begun to lose support from the the base wanting a Muslim government even as far back as the early 50's, he is now one of the most revered politicians in Iranian history precisely because the US and Britain decided to stick their noses where they don't belong, then the guy put in place by the western states turned out to be a disaster, and even though the people got what they wanted in 1979 when he was overthrown, the series of events leading up to that is still viewed as the beginning of a period of nearly 70 years of interference in Iran by the West.
Even now the US is blocking the sale of Iranian oil to anyone who deals with US, which is having disastrous consequences on the economy as Iran's oil exports have fallen by more than 80%. That in itself is already an act of war, and Iran is supposed to be happy to come to the table and make more concessions when the US is taking that kind of preemptive step? It's bananas. There are some bad dudes in Iran who support some awful things, but my word this administration is clueless on how to actually address those things.
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Until this administration actually provides some detail about what he was planning, I will continue to think killing Soleimani was nothing more than a political stunt to try to get a "win" with his base.
is what I've been preaching. But no one cares how much we've fucked up historically.coogles wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:42 am I continually fail to understand why everyone is so surprised Iran hates us.
Back in 1953 the US and Great Britain managed to overthrow the Iranian government at the time (a secular, free democracy) because the prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, wanted to audit the British Petroleum-operated oil company that had been essentially running Iran's oil production since 1901. He wanted Iranian independence and to nationalize the oil production of Iran and get Britain out of its oil business, which of course the Brits and the US couldn't let happen because why pay for oil when you can steal Iran's for free, so Mosaddegh was overthrown and a dictator friendly to the West, Pahlavi, was put in place instead. But by the 1970s Iran was in turmoil in large part due to this man. His family sucked up much of the oil money rather than use it to invest in the country, inflation ran rampant, political parties other than his own were banned and eventually the military killed 64 protesters in 1978.
While it's true that Mosaddegh had begun to lose support from the the base wanting a Muslim government even as far back as the early 50's, he is now one of the most revered politicians in Iranian history precisely because the US and Britain decided to stick their noses where they don't belong, then the guy put in place by the western states turned out to be a disaster, and even though the people got what they wanted in 1979 when he was overthrown, the series of events leading up to that is still viewed as the beginning of a period of nearly 70 years of interference in Iran by the West.
Even now the US is blocking the sale of Iranian oil to anyone who deals with US, which is having disastrous consequences on the economy as Iran's oil exports have fallen by more than 80%. That in itself is already an act of war, and Iran is supposed to be happy to come to the table and make more concessions when the US is taking that kind of preemptive step? It's bananas. There are some bad dudes in Iran who support some awful things, but my word this administration is clueless on how to actually address those things.
Same as arming miltias to right the reds in the sand.
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Dude was kind of the Che Guevara of the middle east. His death will resonate with many people in the region.
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I can't see how that attack on S specifically will change any of it but I'm also just a with no info to go by.
Speaking of I wonder if the Ukranian plane that fell out of the sky with a mistake or planned attack? Maybe it just failed mechanically? Thankfully no Americans on the flight. 63 Canucks doe
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coogles wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:42 am I continually fail to understand why everyone is so surprised Iran hates us.
Back in 1953 the US and Great Britain managed to overthrow the Iranian government at the time (a secular, free democracy) because the prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, wanted to audit the British Petroleum-operated oil company that had been essentially running Iran's oil production since 1901. He wanted Iranian independence and to nationalize the oil production of Iran and get Britain out of its oil business, which of course the Brits and the US couldn't let happen because why pay for oil when you can steal Iran's for free, so Mosaddegh was overthrown and a dictator friendly to the West, Pahlavi, was put in place instead. But by the 1970s Iran was in turmoil in large part due to this man. His family sucked up much of the oil money rather than use it to invest in the country, inflation ran rampant, political parties other than his own were banned and eventually the military killed 64 protesters in 1978.
While it's true that Mosaddegh had begun to lose support from the the base wanting a Muslim government even as far back as the early 50's, he is now one of the most revered politicians in Iranian history precisely because the US and Britain decided to stick their noses where they don't belong, then the guy put in place by the western states turned out to be a disaster, and even though the people got what they wanted in 1979 when he was overthrown, the series of events leading up to that is still viewed as the beginning of a period of nearly 70 years of interference in Iran by the West.
Even now the US is blocking the sale of Iranian oil to anyone who deals with US, which is having disastrous consequences on the economy as Iran's oil exports have fallen by more than 80%. That in itself is already an act of war, and Iran is supposed to be happy to come to the table and make more concessions when the US is taking that kind of preemptive step? It's bananas. There are some bad dudes in Iran who support some awful things, but my word this administration is clueless on how to actually address those things.
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[user not found] wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:47 pmDefinitely taken out, unclear if intentional or accidental.Tarspin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:51 am
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I can't see how that attack on S specifically will change any of it but I'm also just a with no info to go by.
Speaking of I wonder if the Ukranian plane that fell out of the sky with a mistake or planned attack? Maybe it just failed mechanically? Thankfully no Americans on the flight. 63 Canucks doe
Wayyyyy too suspect of timing.
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Nicely laid outcoogles wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:42 am I continually fail to understand why everyone is so surprised Iran hates us.
Back in 1953 the US and Great Britain managed to overthrow the Iranian government at the time (a secular, free democracy) because the prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, wanted to audit the British Petroleum-operated oil company that had been essentially running Iran's oil production since 1901. He wanted Iranian independence and to nationalize the oil production of Iran and get Britain out of its oil business, which of course the Brits and the US couldn't let happen because why pay for oil when you can steal Iran's for free, so Mosaddegh was overthrown and a dictator friendly to the West, Pahlavi, was put in place instead. But by the 1970s Iran was in turmoil in large part due to this man. His family sucked up much of the oil money rather than use it to invest in the country, inflation ran rampant, political parties other than his own were banned and eventually the military killed 64 protesters in 1978.
While it's true that Mosaddegh had begun to lose support from the the base wanting a Muslim government even as far back as the early 50's, he is now one of the most revered politicians in Iranian history precisely because the US and Britain decided to stick their noses where they don't belong, then the guy put in place by the western states turned out to be a disaster, and even though the people got what they wanted in 1979 when he was overthrown, the series of events leading up to that is still viewed as the beginning of a period of nearly 70 years of interference in Iran by the West.
Even now the US is blocking the sale of Iranian oil to anyone who deals with US, which is having disastrous consequences on the economy as Iran's oil exports have fallen by more than 80%. That in itself is already an act of war, and Iran is supposed to be happy to come to the table and make more concessions when the US is taking that kind of preemptive step? It's bananas. There are some bad dudes in Iran who support some awful things, but my word this administration is clueless on how to actually address those things.
indeed. now if only more dipshits could look further than 12 years back.wap wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:32 pmNicely laid outcoogles wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:42 am I continually fail to understand why everyone is so surprised Iran hates us.
Back in 1953 the US and Great Britain managed to overthrow the Iranian government at the time (a secular, free democracy) because the prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, wanted to audit the British Petroleum-operated oil company that had been essentially running Iran's oil production since 1901. He wanted Iranian independence and to nationalize the oil production of Iran and get Britain out of its oil business, which of course the Brits and the US couldn't let happen because why pay for oil when you can steal Iran's for free, so Mosaddegh was overthrown and a dictator friendly to the West, Pahlavi, was put in place instead. But by the 1970s Iran was in turmoil in large part due to this man. His family sucked up much of the oil money rather than use it to invest in the country, inflation ran rampant, political parties other than his own were banned and eventually the military killed 64 protesters in 1978.
While it's true that Mosaddegh had begun to lose support from the the base wanting a Muslim government even as far back as the early 50's, he is now one of the most revered politicians in Iranian history precisely because the US and Britain decided to stick their noses where they don't belong, then the guy put in place by the western states turned out to be a disaster, and even though the people got what they wanted in 1979 when he was overthrown, the series of events leading up to that is still viewed as the beginning of a period of nearly 70 years of interference in Iran by the West.
Even now the US is blocking the sale of Iranian oil to anyone who deals with US, which is having disastrous consequences on the economy as Iran's oil exports have fallen by more than 80%. That in itself is already an act of war, and Iran is supposed to be happy to come to the table and make more concessions when the US is taking that kind of preemptive step? It's bananas. There are some bad dudes in Iran who support some awful things, but my word this administration is clueless on how to actually address those things.
Or course we say Iran shot the plane down. Why wouldnt we?
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/pl ... m-updates/#
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They just need to release the black box info and that will tell us what happened.dubshow wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:04 pm Or course we say Iran shot the plane down. Why wouldnt we?
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[user not found] wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:54 pmAnd who supplied those missiles?dubshow wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:04 pm Or course we say Iran shot the plane down. Why wouldnt we?
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/pl ... m-updates/#
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Hunter Biden.[user not found] wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:54 pmAnd who supplied those missiles?dubshow wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:04 pm Or course we say Iran shot the plane down. Why wouldnt we?
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/pl ... m-updates/#
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https://www.660citynews.com/2020/01/07/ ... s-in-iraq/
A stampede broke out Tuesday at Soleimani’s funeral, and at least 56 people were killed and more than 200 were injured as thousands thronged the procession, Iranian news reports said. Shortly after Iran’s revenge missile attack early Wednesday, Soleimani’s shroud-wrapped remains were lowered into the ground as mourners wailed at the grave site.
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There was no information about what set off the crush in the packed streets, and online videos showed only its aftermath: people lying apparently lifeless, their faces covered by clothing, emergency crews performing CPR on the fallen, and onlookers wailing and crying out to God.
“Unfortunately as a result of the stampede, some of our compatriots have been injured and some have been killed during the funeral processions,” Koulivand said. State TV quoted him as saying the stampede killed 56 people and injured 213.
A stampede broke out Tuesday at Soleimani’s funeral, and at least 56 people were killed and more than 200 were injured as thousands thronged the procession, Iranian news reports said. Shortly after Iran’s revenge missile attack early Wednesday, Soleimani’s shroud-wrapped remains were lowered into the ground as mourners wailed at the grave site.
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There was no information about what set off the crush in the packed streets, and online videos showed only its aftermath: people lying apparently lifeless, their faces covered by clothing, emergency crews performing CPR on the fallen, and onlookers wailing and crying out to God.
“Unfortunately as a result of the stampede, some of our compatriots have been injured and some have been killed during the funeral processions,” Koulivand said. State TV quoted him as saying the stampede killed 56 people and injured 213.
Classic.Tarspin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:49 pm https://www.660citynews.com/2020/01/07/ ... s-in-iraq/
A stampede broke out Tuesday at Soleimani’s funeral, and at least 56 people were killed and more than 200 were injured as thousands thronged the procession, Iranian news reports said. Shortly after Iran’s revenge missile attack early Wednesday, Soleimani’s shroud-wrapped remains were lowered into the ground as mourners wailed at the grave site.
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There was no information about what set off the crush in the packed streets, and online videos showed only its aftermath: people lying apparently lifeless, their faces covered by clothing, emergency crews performing CPR on the fallen, and onlookers wailing and crying out to God.
“Unfortunately as a result of the stampede, some of our compatriots have been injured and some have been killed during the funeral processions,” Koulivand said. State TV quoted him as saying the stampede killed 56 people and injured 213.
Just like India world power 2020
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dubshow wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:59 pmClassic.Tarspin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:49 pm https://www.660citynews.com/2020/01/07/ ... s-in-iraq/
A stampede broke out Tuesday at Soleimani’s funeral, and at least 56 people were killed and more than 200 were injured as thousands thronged the procession, Iranian news reports said. Shortly after Iran’s revenge missile attack early Wednesday, Soleimani’s shroud-wrapped remains were lowered into the ground as mourners wailed at the grave site.
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There was no information about what set off the crush in the packed streets, and online videos showed only its aftermath: people lying apparently lifeless, their faces covered by clothing, emergency crews performing CPR on the fallen, and onlookers wailing and crying out to God.
“Unfortunately as a result of the stampede, some of our compatriots have been injured and some have been killed during the funeral processions,” Koulivand said. State TV quoted him as saying the stampede killed 56 people and injured 213.
Just like India world power 2020
They killed each other in a fucking stampede! 56 dead... that is more carnage then the bombings between both sides in the whole ordeal.