The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.Melon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs
Term limits on Congress
Get rid of Gerrymandering
These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
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But chasing profits is the best way for everyone to live! Fucking commie.Detroit wrote:The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.Melon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs
Term limits on Congress
Get rid of Gerrymandering
These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
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Taking away the financial incentive levels the playing field against all "special interest"Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:03 pmThe problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.Melon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs
Term limits on Congress
Get rid of Gerrymandering
These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
Moving it away from corporations, and allowing groups of all sorts "ad space" of sorts to advertise their position.
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I suppose...but it also removes the incentive for politicians to give a shit. Why would they listen to anyone without money? Just get rid of the practice altogether.
Your point about making people more aware of what their reps are voting on and how is a critical one, IMO. These people need to be kept in check by the people who are hiring them, and that's not happening right now.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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Comrade.troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:06 pmBut chasing profits is the best way for everyone to live! Fucking commie.Detroit wrote: The problem with lobbying is it rarely has consumer's best interest at heart. It's about making sure the .gov is as friendly to business as possible, which means more sales, profits, and greed. None of which really benefit people.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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If you get rid of it altogether that might push it underground with no regulation.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:12 pmI suppose...but it also removes the incentive for politicians to give a shit. Why would they listen to anyone without money? Just get rid of the practice altogether.
Your point about making people more aware of what their reps are voting on and how is a critical one, IMO. These people need to be kept in check by the people who are hiring them, and that's not happening right now.
Keep them out in the open, I say.
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True...but the same thing could happen if you try to enforce bribes.Melon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:19 pmIf you get rid of it altogether that might push it underground with no regulation.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:12 pm
I suppose...but it also removes the incentive for politicians to give a shit. Why would they listen to anyone without money? Just get rid of the practice altogether.
Your point about making people more aware of what their reps are voting on and how is a critical one, IMO. These people need to be kept in check by the people who are hiring them, and that's not happening right now.
Keep them out in the open, I say.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Getting rid of unlimited money to superpacs will take a constitutional amendment at this point. Citizens United decision and the Koch brothers assured that.Melon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs
Term limits on Congress
Get rid of Gerrymandering
These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
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At least one of the Koch brothers kicked the bucket.KYGTIGuy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:41 amGetting rid of unlimited money to superpacs will take a constitutional amendment at this point. Citizens United decision and the Koch brothers assured that.Melon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 am Get rid of unlimited corporate donations to Superpacs
Term limits on Congress
Get rid of Gerrymandering
These would be a good start.
I don't have an opposition to lobbying, but enforce campaign contributions, gifts and other types of "almost bribes"
That, and if people paid more attention to what their representatives and senators voted on.
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Fucking killin people an shit
https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/tere ... e-combinedthe $14,758.11 that the average American consumer unit paid for food, clothing and health care was $3,859.82 less than the $18,617.93 it paid in federal, state and local income taxes, property taxes, Social Security taxes and "other taxes."
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Flat tax? We effectively have had that or close to it for many recent years.
Edit: fuck it the link didn't work
Edit: fuck it the link didn't work
Not that anyone cares, But the AP did a fact check on the DEM debate last night.
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The moderates hopefully are gaining traction. The pandering is UNREAL....
https://apnews.com/7cf3f5fabe1147098354d02396bd1817
inb4
The moderates hopefully are gaining traction. The pandering is UNREAL....
https://apnews.com/7cf3f5fabe1147098354d02396bd1817
A dozen Democrats seeking the presidency tussled Tuesday night in a debate packed with policy, flubbing some details in the process.
Several gave an iffy explanation of why they’re not swinging behind a bold proposal to make people turn over their assault-style weapons. Sloppiness also crept in during robust exchanges over foreign policy, health care, taxes and more.
How some of their claims from Westerville, Ohio, stack up with the facts:
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Those debates are turning more and more into a circus.dubshow wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:36 am Not that anyone cares, But the AP did a fact check on the DEM debate last night.
inb4
The moderates hopefully are gaining traction. The pandering is UNREAL....
https://apnews.com/7cf3f5fabe1147098354d02396bd1817
A dozen Democrats seeking the presidency tussled Tuesday night in a debate packed with policy, flubbing some details in the process.
Several gave an iffy explanation of why they’re not swinging behind a bold proposal to make people turn over their assault-style weapons. Sloppiness also crept in during robust exchanges over foreign policy, health care, taxes and more.
How some of their claims from Westerville, Ohio, stack up with the facts:
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They're basically worthless until at least 2/3 of them have dropped out.Huckleberry wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:37 amThose debates are turning more and more into a circus.dubshow wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:36 am Not that anyone cares, But the AP did a fact check on the DEM debate last night.
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The moderates hopefully are gaining traction. The pandering is UNREAL....
https://apnews.com/7cf3f5fabe1147098354d02396bd1817
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I didn't realize Bill Weld was running on the Republican ticket against Trump.
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Yep, him and that asshole fucktard from Illinois, Joe Walsh.Huckleberry wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:39 pm I didn't realize Bill Weld was running on the Republican ticket against Trump.
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wap wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:37 pmYep, him and that asshole fucktard from Illinois, Joe Walsh.Huckleberry wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:39 pm I didn't realize Bill Weld was running on the Republican ticket against Trump.
Not a fan of Weld
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His Maserati does 185wap wrote:Yep, him and that asshole fucktard from Illinois, Joe Walsh.Huckleberry wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:39 pm I didn't realize Bill Weld was running on the Republican ticket against Trump.
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They took his license, now he don't drive.troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:57 pmHis Maserati does 185wap wrote:
Yep, him and that asshole fucktard from Illinois, Joe Walsh.
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Quick story, back in the 80's Walsh became friends with a local DJ here that became mildly famous, named Steve Dahl. Maybe you remember him from Disco Demolition Night at Comisky Park almost 40 years ago. Anyway, Walsh was singing Life's Been Good live on Dahl's show and he changed the line to,
I got a limo, ride in the trunk.
They lock the doors in case I get drunk.