coogles wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:51 pm
max225 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:34 pm
And honda is making the Civic Sport, Civic Si, Civic Type R, Acura NSX. Plenty of A spec acuras etc...
Why rain down the hate on Honda when they have more "sportyness" in their lineup, outside of the Sole Miata as a beacon for Mazderp.
Not sure where you're getting "hate" from my last post, but okay. I'll lay some on in this one, though. The NSX is cool, but a total departure from what made 90s Honda great. Too expensive, too complicated, electronic everything...just, no. The Civic Sport and Si have eco-focused motors with the boost cranked up, not playful revvy NA inline 4s. The Type R is great too in many respects, but it's hideous, expensive, and overheats on the track. It's not at all 90s Honda. 90s Hondas were simple, clean, minimalist...they were regular models with just a bit of fizz added to them relative to offerings from other manufacturers. Mazda has been pursuing that ethos for at least a decade, Honda is only just now getting back to those roots with the current Civic and Accord. The CR-V and Pilot don't have a lick of sportiness to them, whereas the CX-5 and CX-9 do. And well, the Miata is pretty damn important considering it's the only car left of its kind and requires a massive investment from Mazda due to being on a totally bespoke platform.
Honda is sporty or not, when you see the interior, you can tell Honda is pretty much cramming lot of
friendly tech as possible. It is visibly shown when you look at the dash. Mazda is essentially the opposite, their infotainment layout is more audi-esque, making it minimal but just as useful, more driver friendly in comparison. VTEC is pretty much the thing of the past for Honda's
now they're more majority consumer focused with a few "sporty" cars in the line-up that are also reasonably priced (like 10th gen Si and 2.0t that still comes with manual), and that's about it.
Now how current japanese cars are:
Mazda = enthusiast oriented that's reasonably priced
Honda = more general consumer based with lot of standard tech, along with much fewer sporty offerings.
Toyota =
about sporty (perhaps exception of new corolla) and just focused on the same approach of durability.
Nissan = cars that are just reliable and that's about it.