Crangshaft Aftermath: Deep Kosher Roast

[nuggstein]

Here it is everyone. Not sure what to do. Gonna have to call corporate. What do I say to my dealership

Here is the estimates for your 2012 GTI with the snapped exhaust cam as shown in the quick video that we sent you



To replace both cams

which is the least I would recommend because the exhaust cam snapped between #1 & #2 cylinders which is very uncommon so I recommend we replace the intake came also while we are in there because there is no way of us knowing the future of the intake cam. FYI there is no way for us to be 100% sure if there is any further damage to the head or the engine until we replace the cams and are able to do further testing

Labor $1120.00

Parts $1800.00

Total $2920.00 + tax



To replace both cams, trimming chain & tensioner

It would be a good idea to replace the trimming chain and tensioner while doing the cams – the tensioner is a common failure @ around 80,000 miles which you are about 12,000 away – FYI if and when the tensioner fails and trimming chain jumps it 100% will bend valves if not take out the engine too

Labor $1400.00

Parts $2900.00

Total $4300.00



To replace both cams, trimming chain, tensioner & cylinder head and valves

FYI there is no way for us to be 100% sure if there is any further damage to the head or the engine until we replace the cams and are able to do further testing



If you need a head

Labor $2100.00

Parts $4500.00

Total $6600.00



Please review and let us know how to proceed


Thank You

[wap]

I don't agree on doing the timing chain tensioner IF you are going to do the smart thing and trade the car in asap.
Therefore, you should probably do the tensioner.

Oh you

[Melon]

"FYI there is no way for us to be 100% sure if there is any further damage to the head or the engine until we replace the cams and are able to do further testing"

Lies, all lies.

They're full of shit.

Longblock is $2,500, that's an entirely new engine, you're best off replacing the engine as a whole.

[wap]

You need to do better with your communication.

Who wants to start a pool on how much forks over for his broken non-engine part? I'm going to say he's $1700 out of pocket.

$2500

[wap]

All

Broken camshafts are a thing with VW though. Happened more often in FSI days where the cam follower would shit out and jam the shaft. But the TSI engine isn't radically different than the FSI, and still drives the HPFP off the exhaust cam, and as such is still subject to some bullshit type problems.

VW just recalled 92,000 cars for possible snapped camshafts from 2015-2016 model years. Apparently the vacuum pump was driven off the cam and if it broke you'd lose power brakes and possibly crash according to NHTSA, so they forced a recall.

So Mk7 then

[Apex]

[nuggstein]

Not sure what to do now.

[wap]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vw+gti+broken+camshaft

Most of those hits referenced the Mk5/FSI

[wap]

Whatever the outcome here, a new car is in your immediate future, either fix it and trade it in, or they give you fair market value for it.

Fix it and come see me. I've got some nice Mazduhs that will be much more reliable.

[Johnny_P]

Not sure what to do now.

No need for intake cam
They borescoped the internals and no damage to valves or pistons according to them, so no other damage
They still don't know what the fuck is wrong with the engine, replacing the cams now will only cause them to snap again if they don't fix the root cause
You're getting raped on that tensioner cost
At $6k they actually should have suggested a used motor which would likely be cheaper than their run around circus fix

Fuck these guys I'd tow it to another shop

[coogles]

Jeebus. I'd have it towed to an independent shop, have them find you a used 2014 engine so you know it already has the updated tensioner, swap the motor out and be done with it. Or if you can find an older longblock cheap enough just have the tensioner updated while it's out. That $6,600 figure is nonsense.

[Johnny_P]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vw+gti+broken+camshaft

Most of those hits referenced the Mk5/FSI

Exactly what I was saying. Been a problem since FSI days, still a problem in TSI days, and still not solved as of 2015/2016 where NHTSA finally threw their dick down on the table forcing a recall.

[wap]

Here it is everyone. Not sure what to do. Gonna have to call corporate. What do I say to my dealership

Here is the estimates for your 2012 GTI with the snapped exhaust cam as shown in the quick video that we sent you



To replace both cams

which is the least I would recommend because the exhaust cam snapped between #1 & #2 cylinders which is very uncommon so I recommend we replace the intake came also while we are in there because there is no way of us knowing the future of the intake cam. FYI there is no way for us to be 100% sure if there is any further damage to the head or the engine until we replace the cams and are able to do further testing

Labor $1120.00

Parts $1800.00

Total $2920.00 + tax



To replace both cams, trimming chain & tensioner

It would be a good idea to replace the trimming chain and tensioner while doing the cams – the tensioner is a common failure @ around 80,000 miles which you are about 12,000 away – FYI if and when the tensioner fails and trimming chain jumps it 100% will bend valves if not take out the engine too

Labor $1400.00

Parts $2900.00

Total $4300.00



To replace both cams, trimming chain, tensioner & cylinder head and valves

FYI there is no way for us to be 100% sure if there is any further damage to the head or the engine until we replace the cams and are able to do further testing



If you need a head

Labor $2100.00

Parts $4500.00

Total $6600.00



Please review and let us know how to proceed


Thank You

Get a price on just replacing the broken exhaust camshaft. Say nothing else.

[Barnes93cb]

I wont tell crang what I want him to do. I think its illegal and inhumane. Plus I might feel guilty if he did it.

[nuggstein]

I don't have the money to repair this.

[Johnny_P]

I'd OK them to remove exhaust cam, do diagnostics on the valve and HP fuel pump, replace any broken/stuck/damaged lifters, possibru replace broken HP fuel pump, throw it all back together, fuck the rest, and dump that car.

[wap]

Not sure what to do now.

No need for intake cam
They borescoped the internals and no damage to valves or pistons according to them, so no other damage
They still don't know what the fuck is wrong with the engine, replacing the cams now will only cause them to snap again if they don't fix the root cause
You're getting raped on that tensioner cost
At $6k they actually should have suggested a used motor which would likely be cheaper than their run around circus fix

Fuck these guys I'd tow it to another shop

That's actually probably a very good move that will take more than can muster.

[wap]

Not sure what to do now.

How the fuck can you not be sure? You have dozens of people that care about you telling you to do the exact same thing.

[Johnny_P]

I don't have the money to repair this.

$3k in repairs
Drive it to Zil
Sell it to Zil for $9k, $6k in your pocket
Lease a Mazda 3 $0 down

You literally make money doing this

[KYGTIGuy]

Sorry this is happening to you Crang.

You're in a shitty place to begin with this car and the diller is taking advantage.

[KYGTIGuy]

If he gets a new engine, can he potentially keep the car?

No problem engine = no problem car?

[SAWCE]

Sorry this is happening to you Crang.

You're in a shitty place to begin with this car and the diller is taking advantage.

super shitty man.

[wap]

I don't have the money to repair this.

You have the money to do what we're all telling you to do.

[C00bs]

I don't have the money to repair this.

$3k in repairs
Drive it to Zil
Sell it to Zil for $9k, $6k in your pocket
Lease a Mazda 3 $0 down

You literally make money doing this

Or go to hertz or enterprise car sales and get a nice car for $15k or less with 20kish miles and use your trade in value. I don’t see many other solutions. This sucks but getting everything fixed will likely mean this car is going to keep costing money.

[wap]

I'd OK them to remove exhaust cam, do diagnostics on the valve and HP fuel pump, replace any broken/stuck/damaged lifters, possibru replace broken HP fuel pump, throw it all back together, fuck the rest, and dump that car.

I guarantee they'll find at least 3-5 valves and a hand full of lifters and maybe a couple of springs that "need" replacing.