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Shit I just realized the Hype R has a tripple spoiler
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For BMW though.... a company whose restrained and classy designs I consider to be a (if not THE) pinnacle of automotive beauty .... this new look is a bit over done...... ok, nowhere near as bad as Honda but then again two different classes of vehicle....... one could say that automotive royalty should know better......



PS frankly its not terribad....I mean it is still a beautiful car but I still stick to my point....
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max225 wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:44 pm Shit I just realized the Hype R has a tripple spoiler
The black fascia exhaust surround is too beeg/too obnoxious. Also +1 on what Troy said about this being the new M5
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max225 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 5:35 pm Yes it's a cool car. But prepare the lube/sawdust.
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To stick to the BMW theme. What is the consensus on the M2...

Is the N55 good enough in the 2016-18 models or should one spring for the S55. I am mixed on this one.... the N motor is older and proven, and the M motor tends to be garbage reliability post 50k miles wise... What say yee...?

Significant power difference :doe:

350 wheel for the N 2016-18
410 wheel for the S 19+ Competition
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Irish wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:53 pm For BMW though.... a company whose restrained and classy designs I consider to be a (if not THE) pinnacle of automotive beauty .... this new look is a bit over done...... ok, nowhere near as bad as Honda but then again two different classes of vehicle....... one could say that automotive royalty should know better......



PS frankly its not terribad....I mean it is still a beautiful car but I still stick to my point....
:dat: except I think the bmw is hideous
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If you think the standard M3 looks overdone...

Behold the M Performance catalogue

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max225 wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:42 pm
Detroit wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:37 pm
Yea, but the point is the designs looks similar. Busy, overdone, disjointed.

Performance between the two is not up for debate. The M3/4 (whatever the fuck, I can't keep track) is just...a lot to take in. Meh.
I completely disagree. There is nothing busy and overdone and disjointed. Ahhhh We got our first disagreement on hand. :lol:
if this is the biggest disagreement we have, we should get married.

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Thing is, styling is SUPER subjective. The objective measures are indisputable, the car is badass. Too bad I hate the look. But I also have zero interest in purchasing. I'm in Troy's camp, not working anymore is priority #1 these days.
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:dat: TRD CAMRY spoiler

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BMW rice has been slowly increasing... there is no denying that. Some of the stick on carbon bits that the forum bros go crazy for are completely :disgust: from me. CHIN SPLITTTTERRRRSSSSS on a car that can't clear a 4" curb.
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:00 pm If you think the standard M3 looks overdone...

Behold the M Performance catalogue

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max225 wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:01 pm :dat: TRD CAMRY spoiler

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Both are horrific IMO
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BMW normalizing the Camry redesign, :mindblown:

I generally really like the M2, and some of the front end shots make the M3 look badass but the M3 is generally a no from me, Dawg. Same goes for the redesigned R, I just don't enjoy current German styling.
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Detroit wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:08 pm
max225 wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:01 pm :dat: TRD CAMRY spoiler

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:mindblown:
Both are horrific IMO
Both are designed for the Saudi Prince in grad school leaning against said car in the above referenced photos.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:21 pm Earn it and burn it, Val.
max225 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 5:35 pm Yes it's a cool car. But prepare the lube/sawdust.
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Desertbreh wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:11 pm
Detroit wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Both are horrific IMO
Both are designed for the Saudi Prince in grad school leaning against said car in the above referenced photos.
I thought the same. Funny enough, my 9 yr old likes the Camry redesign, and says that the black roof gives the car the edge it needs to be cool.
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Tarspin wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:10 pm BMW normalizing the Camry redesign, :mindblown:

I generally really like the M2, and some of the front end shots make the M3 look badass but the M3 is generally a no from me, Dawg. Same goes for the redesigned R, I just don't enjoy current German styling.
German design went from restrained to gaudy fast. :disgust:
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Tarspin wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:13 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:11 pm

Both are designed for the Saudi Prince in grad school leaning against said car in the above referenced photos.
I thought the same. Funny enough, my 9 yr old likes the Camry redesign, and says that the black roof gives the car the edge it needs to be cool.
New Camry XSE, black roof, no spoiler is the ticket.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:21 pm Earn it and burn it, Val.
max225 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 5:35 pm Yes it's a cool car. But prepare the lube/sawdust.
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Detroit wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:14 pm
Tarspin wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:10 pm BMW normalizing the Camry redesign, :mindblown:

I generally really like the M2, and some of the front end shots make the M3 look badass but the M3 is generally a no from me, Dawg. Same goes for the redesigned R, I just don't enjoy current German styling.
German design went from restrained to gaudy fast. :disgust:
Either these guys lost their fk minds, or I woke up a :wap: this year. :ohwell: I enjoy throwing :disgust: -face in the privacy of my own face mask.
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Desertbreh wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:18 pm
Tarspin wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:13 pm

I thought the same. Funny enough, my 9 yr old likes the Camry redesign, and says that the black roof gives the car the edge it needs to be cool.
New Camry XSE, black roof, no spoiler is the ticket.
It makes a lot of sense for someone needing a long wheelbase highway beater. I'm going to consider it once the wheels fall off of my :gorf: , for now I'm going to enjoy looking at actual functioning vents.

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Detroit wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:14 pm
German design went from restrained to gaudy fast. :disgust:
I think we're about to see the Japanese do the opposite. Newer Toyota stuff has been somewhat restrained.

New Highlander is a 5/7 elegant design.
Not a fan

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The Mirai though is :nice: and has wild incentives right now in CA

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max225 wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:08 pm
Detroit wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:05 pm Color scheme is :amazing: but I feel like the car overall is just too overdone.
Which parts ? other than the giant exhaust pipes, most everything is functional. 400rwhp sedan with a :manuel: and fairly limited tech is still :amazing: it'll be the last gasoline M3.
I do not love the grill but I am with you, it is otherwise a very good looking car (looks like an M3 which is a good thing) and seems pretty damn sweet to me :iono:

I think the hate is unjustified. The grill isn't that bad, just not as good as some previous M3 front ends. It looks amazing in that green, I feel it was most offensive in the red color.
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IND put their non-competition M4 on the dyno and got 465hp to the wheels.

Rated 478hp to the crank or something like that.
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:46 pm IND put their non-competition M4 on the dyno and got 465hp to the wheels.

Rated 478hp to the crank or something like that.
Assuming their dyno is properly calibrated, I'd say that 478 is probably over a fair bit over 500hp at the crank.
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4zilch wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:02 am
CaleDeRoo wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:46 pm IND put their non-competition M4 on the dyno and got 465hp to the wheels.

Rated 478hp to the crank or something like that.
Assuming their dyno is properly calibrated, I'd say that 478 is probably over a fair bit over 500hp at the crank.
Yes. I didn't read anything about which gear was used etc, but I saw one trap like 122-124mph in the 1/4 using proper gos timing gear so it checks out.
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https://www.yahoo.com/autos/audi-stop-d ... 00822.html
But according to the CEO of the company, the automaker will not develop any new internal combustion engines, and will begin phasing out the current gasoline and diesel engines and replacing them with electric powertrains.
Save you all the click. Obviously this isn't a surprise.

I do expect low volume gasoline engines to continue for the Elites, such as the GT3, Lambo/Rari etc.
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