Ah, yeah I don't have any recent experience driving anything larger than the GTI or Michelle's Maxda3, so the decreased braking capacity of the Jeep felt "normal" to me since I was expecting it to be worse than those tiny cars.
From what I can tell, there are only 2 options for fixed calipers.
Baer for 17s and at $1800
Wilwood for 18s and at around $1200
floaty caliper systems are around 1/2 the price. I don't like the idea of the new master and clutch cylinder etc, that's a lot of fking work for a brake job. I wonder what the best real world performance is though. From brake pedal feel to actual stopping distance.
Real world driving my dads 300s with floating calipers brakes about the same as my 335i, not sure about extreme braking.
The OEM upgrade may be a good one since you get bigger rotors+more cylinder fluid push etc.
~$850 for that ... however, they are designed for 5000-5800lb TRUKs + up to 10k lb trailers... so
I'm sure there are cheaper options out there, but these at least give me an idea of what I'm looking for and then I can shop around to find the best value.
Happened to see someone on one of the Heep forums selling this. Like new condition for half the cost of new. Still pricey, but I think it looks cooler than just a normal net like we talked about hanging, and he happens to be on my way up to big bear this weekend, so picking it up Sunday on my way home.
$295 for brackets and larger rotors. Keep the stock calipers.
But I'd probably swap in a $70 set of pads and THEN try this before going on waxable calipers. They make a kit for rears too if you care.
My dad bought those for his. Fucking stupid. And nearly pointless. The caliper has the same surface grab area. Your just outsetting it which has negligible impact on grab.
$295 for brackets and larger rotors. Keep the stock calipers.
But I'd probably swap in a $70 set of pads and THEN try this before going on waxable calipers. They make a kit for rears too if you care.
My dad bought those for his. Fucking stupid. And nearly pointless. The caliper has the same surface grab area. Your just outsetting it which has negligible impact on grab.
Doesn't change how hard it grabs, it give the pad more leverage to stop the vehicle. The braking moment increases since it's a function of pounds of force (friction force the pads generate) x distance from center of rotation. Move the distance out and you generate more of a moment. I would not be surprised if this shaved 10 feet off 70-0 braking.
My dad bought those for his. Fucking stupid. And nearly pointless. The caliper has the same surface grab area. Your just outsetting it which has negligible impact on grab.
Doesn't change how hard it grabs, it give the pad more leverage to stop the vehicle. The braking moment increases since it's a function of pounds of force (friction force the pads generate) x distance from center of rotation. Move the distance out and you generate more of a moment. I would not be surprised if this shaved 10 feet off 70-0 braking.
It should reduce overal braking distance, but if the complaint is lack of initial bite, that’s 99% pad compound.
As the only published author in a well-known motorcycle publication in the room...
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:19 am
Doesn't change how hard it grabs, it give the pad more leverage to stop the vehicle. The braking moment increases since it's a function of pounds of force (friction force the pads generate) x distance from center of rotation. Move the distance out and you generate more of a moment. I would not be surprised if this shaved 10 feet off 70-0 braking.
It should reduce overal braking distance, but if the complaint is lack of initial bite, that’s 99% pad compound.
That. I didn't have a problem with the initial bite, I had a problem with the lack of braking power in general from the system. But that's all personal preference. I wouldn't want grabby brakes for off roading, the system as it is now is pretty decent for that, with good modulation just not a lot of ass to stop you at speed.
My dad bought those for his. Fucking stupid. And nearly pointless. The caliper has the same surface grab area. Your just outsetting it which has negligible impact on grab.
Doesn't change how hard it grabs, it give the pad more leverage to stop the vehicle. The braking moment increases since it's a function of pounds of force (friction force the pads generate) x distance from center of rotation. Move the distance out and you generate more of a moment. I would not be surprised if this shaved 10 feet off 70-0 braking.
I understand force rotation and leverage just fine.
I’m saying that it’s funking stupid to change to that. Just run upgraded pad or go Bbk.
Waste of money. As someone who has stock and driven that. You can all you want it’s a dumb mod that you’ll not have standard easy find brake parts and negligible performance gain.
I'm sure there are cheaper options out there, but these at least give me an idea of what I'm looking for and then I can shop around to find the best value.
Happened to see someone on one of the Heep forums selling this. Like new condition for half the cost of new. Still pricey, but I think it looks cooler than just a normal net like we talked about hanging, and he happens to be on my way up to big bear this weekend, so picking it up Sunday on my way home.
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:19 am
Doesn't change how hard it grabs, it give the pad more leverage to stop the vehicle. The braking moment increases since it's a function of pounds of force (friction force the pads generate) x distance from center of rotation. Move the distance out and you generate more of a moment. I would not be surprised if this shaved 10 feet off 70-0 braking.
I understand force rotation and leverage just fine.
I’m saying that it’s funking stupid to change to that. Just run upgraded pad or go Bbk.
Waste of money. As someone who has stock and driven that. You can all you want it’s a dumb mod that you’ll not have standard easy find brake parts and negligible performance gain.
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:19 am
Doesn't change how hard it grabs, it give the pad more leverage to stop the vehicle. The braking moment increases since it's a function of pounds of force (friction force the pads generate) x distance from center of rotation. Move the distance out and you generate more of a moment. I would not be surprised if this shaved 10 feet off 70-0 braking.
I understand force rotation and leverage just fine.
I’m saying that it’s funking stupid to change to that. Just run upgraded pad or go Bbk.
Waste of money. As someone who has stock and driven that. You can all you want it’s a dumb mod that you’ll not have standard easy find brake parts and negligible performance gain.
Which is why I said I'd do pads first then this if pads alone weren't enough. This plus pads will have a major impact, and will be good for 50k miles at least before you need to change rotors. It will also cost less than $400. Show me a BBK worth a damn that's $400. Not like pads and rotors will be any easier to get with a BBK.
dubshow wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:31 am
I understand force rotation and leverage just fine.
I’m saying that it’s funking stupid to change to that. Just run upgraded pad or go Bbk.
Waste of money. As someone who has stock and driven that. You can all you want it’s a dumb mod that you’ll not have standard easy find brake parts and negligible performance gain.
Which is why I said I'd do pads first then this if pads alone weren't enough. This plus pads will have a major impact, and will be good for 50k miles at least before you need to change rotors. It will also cost less than $400. Show me a BBK worth a damn that's $400. Not like pads and rotors will be any easier to get with a BBK.
Lolol. I’m saying it’s a fucking wasted mod. Throw money at a non solution to a non issue.
Keep driving your bro.
You’re probably just a shill for a shit product for all that free steak.
It should reduce overal braking distance, but if the complaint is lack of initial bite, that’s 99% pad compound.
That. I didn't have a problem with the initial bite, I had a problem with the lack of braking power in general from the system. But that's all personal preference. I wouldn't want grabby brakes for off roading, the system as it is now is pretty decent for that, with good modulation just not a lot of ass to stop you at speed.
Available potential force and pedal feels/modulation has a lot do with MC/caliper piston surface ration (leverage). It’s highly subjective. Pad design has an effect on modulation too
I’m kinda surprised that ppl put BBK and waxables on these things I dont really see a real world need for such things on a except for perhaps heavy towing needs.
As the only published author in a well-known motorcycle publication in the room...
Which is why I said I'd do pads first then this if pads alone weren't enough. This plus pads will have a major impact, and will be good for 50k miles at least before you need to change rotors. It will also cost less than $400. Show me a BBK worth a damn that's $400. Not like pads and rotors will be any easier to get with a BBK.
Lolol. I’m saying it’s a fucking wasted mod. Throw money at a non solution to a non issue.
Keep driving your bro.
You’re probably just a shill for a shit product for all that free steak.
doesn't lie, Dubs. But whatever. I don't even own a Jeep and probably never will so I what y'all do.
approved \\\W brakes.
on waxable calipers. They make a kit for rears too if you care.
on some waxables...
all you want it’s a dumb mod that you’ll not have standard easy find brake parts and negligible performance gain.
BBK.
bro. 
what y'all do.
product. Its like a wall of seat belts! 
imo. It’s not a sports car.
