The Second Thoughts/Buyers Remorse Thread

[Johnny_P]

Only one second between the WRX perf pack and the STi. Lame.

You mean the same car with nearly the same amount of power is nearly as fast ?!

Nearly the same amount of power, weighs less, and makes power at a lower RPM than the STI.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Too bad it's fucking hideous.

[max225]

Also, the new Civic Si ran the same time as a perf pack GTI. That's pretty surprising.

Everyone shat on the Si when it was announced with the 1.5T motor, yet it sounds like it's a pretty solid performer. I'd consider one if shopping this segment.

It'll probably make a decent DD. Maybe I'll go and consider it in a couple of months. I wish they had a hatch

[max225]

Too bad it's fucking hideous.

SI is ok, R isn't

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I guess it's not TERRIBAD, but still...

[Johnny_P]

Everyone shat on the Si when it was announced with the 1.5T motor, yet it sounds like it's a pretty solid performer. I'd consider one if shopping this segment.

It'll probably make a decent DD. Maybe I'll go and consider it in a couple of months. I wish they had a hatch

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Si. I think it's a legit not bad entry to the field. It can paper race with a GTI PP, likely costs less, and will hold its value way better than one. And doesn't have a complicated diff, just a standard helical limited slip so no parts or repair schedules.

[Johnny_P]

I guess it's not TERRIBAD, but still...

I can put up with the front end I think. The rear is where it all falls apart with the giant fakevents. Then again you're basically never looking at the rear of the car so ? I think the STI's rear end is pretty bad aside from the wing but I never look at it so meh.



I think the coupe looks better in the back.

[max225]

I will never understand a civic or accord coupe. Completely pointless vehicles

[Apex]

I will never understand a civic or accord coupe. Completely pointless vehicles

[coogles]

Only one second between the WRX perf pack and the STi. Lame.

I think it's awesome. But I prefer the rumbles of the STI engine, it's peaky power delivery, and the much better driving connection/feeling. The WRX's engine was not for me. Shame, because if it had a more interesting motor I'd have just bought it. Absolutely nobody home below 2500 RPM, worse than the STI, power dies off up top, DI carbon build up to deal with from a 1st gen system, and around town driving would be horrible once it became heat soaked.

If you're tracking the car the STI is still the one to get. The transmission is stronger, the diffs are far better, and you don't rely on torque vectoring through the brakes. It'll hold up to repeated track lapping much better.

Oh totally agree. I didn't even bother driving the regular WRX, I knew it wasn't what I wanted. But still, to have only a second separate the two is a bit disappointing. It's not like the STi is a great track day tool right off the showroom floor, either, though. Desperately needs an AOS, an oil cooler, and some more serious pads to run more than a couple laps on a track like VIR.

[max225]

No one here tracks ... (other than and his golf driving counterpart)

[Johnny_P]

I will never understand a civic or accord coupe. Completely pointless vehicles

Yep basically this. Less useful, still FWD econoshitboxes, literally no advantage to the coupe other than slightly shorter overall.

[coogles]

It'll probably make a decent DD. Maybe I'll go and consider it in a couple of months. I wish they had a hatch

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Si. I think it's a legit not bad entry to the field. It can paper race with a GTI PP, likely costs less, and will hold its value way better than one. And doesn't have a complicated diff, just a standard helical limited slip so no parts or repair schedules.

If you're paying MSRP the Si is really compelling. $24,xxx for the Si versus $29,xxx for the GTI Sport. There are crazy s to be had on the GTI, doe, and for equal money (I've seen some advertised for <$24k), I'm taking the GTI without a second thought.

One other thing to note, the Si in that test is wearing Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2s - max perf summers - I'd bet the GTI was on no-seasons.

[max225]

I will never understand a civic or accord coupe. Completely pointless vehicles

Yep basically this. Less useful, still FWD econoshitboxes, literally no advantage to the coupe other than slightly shorter overall.

And more expensive

[Johnny_P]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Si. I think it's a legit not bad entry to the field. It can paper race with a GTI PP, likely costs less, and will hold its value way better than one. And doesn't have a complicated diff, just a standard helical limited slip so no parts or repair schedules.

If you're paying MSRP the Si is really compelling. $24,xxx for the Si versus $29,xxx for the GTI Sport. There are crazy s to be had on the GTI, doe, and for equal money (I've seen some advertised for <$24k), I'm taking the GTI without a second thought.

One other thing to note, the Si in that test is wearing Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2s - max perf summers - I'd bet the GTI was on no-seasons.

And the Si is worth $20k on a trade in 4 years where the GTI is worth $15k...

The value is there, brah.

[coogles]

And the Si is worth $20k on a trade in 4 years where the GTI is worth $15k...

The value is there, brah.

[stripethree]

Coupes are much more fun when the top drops. Otherwise, meh, loss of useful space.

You really think a Civic SI will hold $20k in trade value in 4 years? It's still a Civic...

[max225]

Coupes are much more fun when the top drops. Otherwise, meh, loss of useful space.

You really think a Civic SI will hold $20k in trade value in 4 years? It's still a Civic...

It'll be 15 easy which translates to $187.50 a month in depreciation. Good luck finding that on anything else that is worth driving

The woman's 19k civic is still 11-12k after 5 years and 65k miles

[stripethree]

It'll be 15 easy which translates to $187.50 a month in depreciation. Good luck finding that on anything else that is worth driving

The woman's 19k civic is still 11-12k after 5 years and 65k miles

[max225]

Civics/corollas/accords/camrys are the cheapest vehicles to own if you own them from 0-10 years and buy new...

Low depreciation
Nearly no maintenance
epic reliability


None of that can be said about a GTI.

[MexicanYarisTK]

Civics/corollas/accords/camrys are the cheapest vehicles to own if you own them from 0-10 years and buy new...

Low depreciation
Nearly no maintenance
epic reliability


None of that can be said about a GTI.

I'd say mine probably depreciated about 40% now, might as well drive it till it's done

[Acid666]

Civics/corollas/accords/camrys are the cheapest vehicles to own if you own them from 0-10 years and buy new...

Low depreciation
Nearly no maintenance
epic reliability


None of that can be said about a GTI.

I got rid of my GTI because I was starting to get those smalllllll little parts breaking down. I kept up with the routine maintenance, but the hassle of replacing simple parts on that little German 2.0L crammed in that engine bay made me not want to deal with it.
The depreciation was depressing too. $26K total out the door in '08. Sold for $7K in '16.

[MexicanYarisTK]

Civics/corollas/accords/camrys are the cheapest vehicles to own if you own them from 0-10 years and buy new...

Low depreciation
Nearly no maintenance
epic reliability


None of that can be said about a GTI.

I got rid of my GTI because I was starting to get those smalllllll little parts breaking down. I kept up with the routine maintenance, but the hassle of replacing simple parts on that little German 2.0L crammed in that engine bay made me not want to deal with it.
The depreciation was depressing too. $26K total out the door in '08. Sold for $7K in '16.

Mine is just as expensive as a base new corolla, 48k miles, 2015 SE model, bought in October 2014. In the words of Donald Trump SAD!

Working on the car is also frustrating as well, that's why I didn't mod it as much as I did with the mk6.

[max225]

Civics/corollas/accords/camrys are the cheapest vehicles to own if you own them from 0-10 years and buy new...

Low depreciation
Nearly no maintenance
epic reliability


None of that can be said about a GTI.

I got rid of my GTI because I was starting to get those smalllllll little parts breaking down. I kept up with the routine maintenance, but the hassle of replacing simple parts on that little German 2.0L crammed in that engine bay made me not want to deal with it.
The depreciation was depressing too. $26K total out the door in '08. Sold for $7K in '16.

How many miles?

[coogles]

I didn't think depreciation on my GTI was too bad at all. Sticker was $28.3, sold it 6.5 years later for $11.5 on trade. Even at sticker that nets out to $210/mo. When I was looking to sell it at 3.5 years I was only getting trade offers for $14-$14.5, but then only dropping $3k in the next three years? I'll take that.