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[user not found] wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:49 am I love my burbs. Stay off my fucking lawn.
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Detroit wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:19 pm I don't understand anything anymore.
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And that comes from a life long city boy.
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Davestr wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:56 am Fiat is about to be dismembered - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... oost-value
It's really an interesting concept.

FCA spins off all sales orgs to raise capital, then "sells" it's products to be re-branded/sold by the sales orgs. Essentially, FCA becomes a Tier 1 supplier to the sales orgs.

It might just be crazy enough to work...
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Could be genius or could be :wtf: :fullretard:
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Detroit wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:19 pm I don't understand anything anymore.
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:dat: except my complaints are factual and not based on photoshopped pictures of McCain
PHOTOSHOPPED!?! :triggered:

You just don't want to know the truth. Moran.

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Dem freedumbs.
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*Automatics are allowed to downshift while manuals are kept in highest gear for the passing accel test

STI has same acceleration as a :jalepenis: 230i :impressive:

Dat 9+ seconds for 50-70. One downshift and it's good doe. I guess that's why people hate this car. You have to work it to be rewarded.

Also.... 240i is a fucking rocket :mindblown:
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That downshifting rule though... :wtf:
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D Griff wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:02 am That downshifting rule though... :wtf:
Yeah most MT cars get totally shit on in that test. The Hype R did surprisingly well doe.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:04 am
D Griff wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:02 am That downshifting rule though... :wtf:
Yeah most MT cars get totally shit on in that test. The Hype R did surprisingly well doe.
Still double the BMW though, with a downshift they'd be way more competitive... And why would you buy the manual if you weren't inclined to just shift when required?
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D Griff wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:20 am
Johnny_P wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:04 am

Yeah most MT cars get totally shit on in that test. The Hype R did surprisingly well doe.
Still double the BMW though, with a downshift they'd be way more competitive... And why would you buy the manual if you weren't inclined to just shift when required?
:dat: They should downshift to the lowest gear the car will allow at that speed and then punch it and shift just like any automatic would.
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Dang. In a year I might :plac: for a 2 series. We'll see. Superior car. I'd get the auto and :aintcare:
"Steering feel" and "connected to the drive" be damned.
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max225 wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:16 am :dat: except my complaints are factual and not based on photoshopped pictures of McCain
PHOTOSHOPPED!?! :triggered:

You just don't want to know the truth. Moran.

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*Automatics are allowed to downshift while manuals are kept in highest gear for the passing accel test

STI has same acceleration as a :jalepenis: 230i :impressive:

Dat 9+ seconds for 50-70. One downshift and it's good doe. I guess that's why people hate this car. You have to work it to be rewarded.

Also.... 240i is a fucking rocket :mindblown:
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Johnny_P wrote:Dang. In a year I might :plac: for a 2 series. We'll see. Superior car. I'd get the auto and :aintcare:
"Steering feel" and "connected to the drive" be damned.
:notbad: for :dat: 0-30-0
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Tarspin wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:46 am
Johnny_P wrote:Dang. In a year I might :plac: for a 2 series. We'll see. Superior car. I'd get the auto and :aintcare:
"Steering feel" and "connected to the drive" be damned.
:notbad: for :dat: 0-30-0
I still think a Q50 or IS350 would be a better pick for the reliability and that sort of thing, but man... that 4 cyl is pretty quick. Also, that goddamn mouse in the Lexus models gets me :triggered:

Best pick is truly a Honda Shit but, brehs, come on. Ain't nobody downgrading to a Shit on this forum. So then you're left with something depreciated luxury like the IS/Q/2.... or a cute ute.

IDK we'll see when that time comes. For now I'm loving my slow farm machinery Subie.
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Back when I bought the rustang I was looking at 228is with the M sport package and manual trans. I should have bought that but I let my inner scrooge win
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[user not found] wrote:I'd totally rock a 2er.

230i is so underrated it's not even funny.
230 is the best bmw in the lineup now.
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I still want a 335 but don't think I could ever drop the cash on one
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[user not found] wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:17 am I'd totally rock a 2er.

230i is so underrated it's not even funny.
It's gotta be pretty close to 300 at the crank.
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[user not found] wrote:I'd totally rock a 2er.

230i is so underrated it's not even funny.
230 is the best bmw in the lineup now.
Basically this.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:54 am
[user not found] wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:17 am I'd totally rock a 2er.

230i is so underrated it's not even funny.
It's gotta be pretty close to 300 at the crank.
:dat:

Plus nice small size and weight, standard sport seats, and both transmissions are good. It would be a tough call between a base :manuel: or the 8AT, but that's about all you need. Screw the options, $32k or whatever MSRP is :notbad: for those cars. Too bad the 4-cylinder sounds like nothing, depreciation is a bitch, and long term maintenance is likely to be :waxer:

Probably better to just roll in an E46 coupe for <$10k.
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Johnny_P wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:50 am Image

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*Automatics are allowed to downshift while manuals are kept in highest gear for the passing accel test

STI has same acceleration as a :jalepenis: 230i :impressive:

Dat 9+ seconds for 50-70. One downshift and it's good doe. I guess that's why people hate this car. You have to work it to be rewarded.

Also.... 240i is a fucking rocket :mindblown:
These cars are fast mang. I never wish for more power in the :jalepenis: 335 but dat tune doe think of the stupid engineers and the useless work they have been doing
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troyguitar wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:19 am
[user not found] wrote:I'd totally rock a 2er.

230i is so underrated it's not even funny.
230 is the best bmw in the lineup now.
After you drop money on some brakes and wheels and tires that don't suck it can be made to handle. Finding one in the right spec (color non bs options) is hard if not impossible

Best BMW out of the box is the M2 I want one. Yes I am aware it costs 20k more than the 230i
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max225 wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:23 am
troyguitar wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:19 am
230 is the best bmw in the lineup now.
After you drop money on some brakes and wheels and tires that don't suck it can be made to handle. Finding one in the right spec (color non bs options) is hard if not impossible

Best BMW out of the box is the M2 I want one. Yes I am aware it costs 20k more than the 230i
Meh. Stock brakes are fine and pretty much every car needs wheels+tires.

I'd never buy a new-ish ultimate depreciation machine anyway, the long term cost is outrageous. 987.2 Cayman >> 2 series. For M2 money I'd buy a 996 GT3/turbro.
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max225 wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:23 am
troyguitar wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:19 am
230 is the best bmw in the lineup now.
After you drop money on some brakes and wheels and tires that don't suck it can be made to handle. Finding one in the right spec (color non bs options) is hard if not impossible

Best BMW out of the box is the M2 I want one. Yes I am aware it costs 20k more than the 230i
Yo go boy! :like: :)
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