Car Talk 2: Un-American Motor Company.

[Davestr]

Like Ford and its trucks with doors that open as you drive LOL!!!

You make a good point above though!^^

Porsche IMS failures come to mind, honestly.

+1 no maker is immune.

[Davestr]

Door latch issue effects the car side too. My FiST is on the list

Feature.

Air braking.

This is next gen tech that all the manufacturers will be copying soon.

LOL!!! This^^ ----who needs a large deployable wing like a Veyron....Doors work wonderfully. Cheaper too!

[fledonfoot]

Like Ford and its trucks with doors that open as you drive LOL!!!

You make a good point above though!^^

Porsche IMS failures come to mind, honestly.

Toyota frames.

[troyguitar]

I think I've decided to say screw spending any more money on the Vibe, gonna keep driving it as-is for awhile (through this winter at a minimum) and eventually sell it in favor of something that's got better ergonomics and doesn't already have 150k farts on it. Likely a Scion iA or FRS, maybe an RX8 or E36/46 depending on how I feel like going.

iA is the smart choice, you can get one for $10k that's nearly new and it should last another 10 years easy. The wheels are standard 4x100 bolt pattern shared with the MR2/miata/mazda2 as well, so I could swap my RPF1's with conti sports directly over to it. Add a $100 rear sway bar and a tune from the guys who tune ROW 1.5 miatas and you have a fun little NFG car that's 2300 lbs and pretty reliable+nice inside.

[max225]

You mean a notoriously unreliable engine is unreliable?

it’s always interesting to see what level of breakage consumers are willing to accept. I can understand the occasional sensor or gasket failure as things age, but major/catastrophic failures on well maintained/non-abused engine and drivetrain components is completely unacceptable in this day in age.

Apparently it doesn’t matter in an sti. Since they cost the same new or used

[4zilch]

it’s always interesting to see what level of breakage consumers are willing to accept. I can understand the occasional sensor or gasket failure as things age, but major/catastrophic failures on well maintained/non-abused engine and drivetrain components is completely unacceptable in this day in age.

Apparently it doesn’t matter in an sti. Since they cost the same new or used

[max225]

I wonder if that madness will ever stop

[Tar]

Porsche IMS failures come to mind, honestly.

Toyota frames.

Glass transmissions from Honda

[fledonfoot]

Toyota piston rings on 2AZs.

[KYGTIGuy]

Our minivan needs new brakes. I told the wife to call and get a quote becuase I didn't have time this weekend. $200 an axle!!!!!

$100 bucks and a youtube video and you can replace your brakes. How can they charge $400?

[troyguitar]

That's a good price for a "pro" job.

[4zilch]

Our minivan needs new brakes. I told the wife to call and get a quote becuase I didn't have time this weekend. $200 an axle!!!!!

$100 bucks and a youtube video and you can replace your brakes. How can they charge $400?

labor rate breh.

[Barnes93cb]

I was once quoted $800 for a coilover install.

Lets just say I learned how to do it myself.

[Davestr]

When does this get a Tweet down from the Bankruptcy Expert in charge - https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/23/tesla-h ... china.html

Tesla has reached a deal to build a factory in China

[D Griff]

I think I've decided to say screw spending any more money on the Vibe, gonna keep driving it as-is for awhile (through this winter at a minimum) and eventually sell it in favor of something that's got better ergonomics and doesn't already have 150k farts on it. Likely a Scion iA or FRS, maybe an RX8 or E36/46 depending on how I feel like going.

iA is the smart choice, you can get one for $10k that's nearly new and it should last another 10 years easy. The wheels are standard 4x100 bolt pattern shared with the MR2/miata/mazda2 as well, so I could swap my RPF1's with conti sports directly over to it. Add a $100 rear sway bar and a tune from the guys who tune ROW 1.5 miatas and you have a fun little NFG car that's 2300 lbs and pretty reliable+nice inside.

Sounds depressing, I vote go fuller

[Johnny_P]

Like Ford and its trucks with doors that open as you drive LOL!!!

You make a good point above though!^^

Porsche IMS failures come to mind, honestly.

Or D-chunks. Or cylinder scoring. Or shitty RMS. Or high-G turn oiling problems.

The early watercooled engines from Porsche were pretty horrible, really. The looks aren't the only thing keeping 996 prices low.

[Johnny_P]

I think I've decided to say screw spending any more money on the Vibe, gonna keep driving it as-is for awhile (through this winter at a minimum) and eventually sell it in favor of something that's got better ergonomics and doesn't already have 150k farts on it. Likely a Scion iA or FRS, maybe an RX8 or E36/46 depending on how I feel like going.

iA is the smart choice, you can get one for $10k that's nearly new and it should last another 10 years easy. The wheels are standard 4x100 bolt pattern shared with the MR2/miata/mazda2 as well, so I could swap my RPF1's with conti sports directly over to it. Add a $100 rear sway bar and a tune from the guys who tune ROW 1.5 miatas and you have a fun little NFG car that's 2300 lbs and pretty reliable+nice inside.

I was in an iA poober once. It was really loud, but seemed peppy enough even with 5 people in it.
Why not a FiST?

[max225]

I think I've decided to say screw spending any more money on the Vibe, gonna keep driving it as-is for awhile (through this winter at a minimum) and eventually sell it in favor of something that's got better ergonomics and doesn't already have 150k farts on it. Likely a Scion iA or FRS, maybe an RX8 or E36/46 depending on how I feel like going.

iA is the smart choice, you can get one for $10k that's nearly new and it should last another 10 years easy. The wheels are standard 4x100 bolt pattern shared with the MR2/miata/mazda2 as well, so I could swap my RPF1's with conti sports directly over to it. Add a $100 rear sway bar and a tune from the guys who tune ROW 1.5 miatas and you have a fun little NFG car that's 2300 lbs and pretty reliable+nice inside.

I was in an iA poober once. It was really loud, but seemed peppy enough even with 5 people in it.
Why not a FiST?

Because 10k

[Johnny_P]

I was in an iA poober once. It was really loud, but seemed peppy enough even with 5 people in it.
Why not a FiST?

Because 10k

Would have to sell a gold coin for it

They're both loud tin cans with front weight bias and ox cart rear suspensions, but one has an actual engine, brakes, and handling ability. It also has a hatch

[troyguitar]

I think I've decided to say screw spending any more money on the Vibe, gonna keep driving it as-is for awhile (through this winter at a minimum) and eventually sell it in favor of something that's got better ergonomics and doesn't already have 150k farts on it. Likely a Scion iA or FRS, maybe an RX8 or E36/46 depending on how I feel like going.

iA is the smart choice, you can get one for $10k that's nearly new and it should last another 10 years easy. The wheels are standard 4x100 bolt pattern shared with the MR2/miata/mazda2 as well, so I could swap my RPF1's with conti sports directly over to it. Add a $100 rear sway bar and a tune from the guys who tune ROW 1.5 miatas and you have a fun little NFG car that's 2300 lbs and pretty reliable+nice inside.

I was in an iA poober once. It was really loud, but seemed peppy enough even with 5 people in it.
Why not a FiST?

I hate the minivan ergonomics of the fiesta. They're the same as the vibe.

Weird that you say the car was loud - every review says that it's quiet.

[max225]

When does this get a Tweet down from the Bankruptcy Expert in charge - https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/23/tesla-h ... china.html

Tesla has reached a deal to build a factory in China

Yup worlds biggest economy growing and getting bigger every second

[max225]

Because 10k

Would have to sell a gold coin for it

They're both loud tin cans with front weight bias and ox cart rear suspensions, but one has an actual engine, brakes, and handling ability. It also has a hatch

You know how the arguments go...
IMO a fist is too much money they are pretty expensive for what they are and since they are rare the prices don’t really go down

[Johnny_P]

I was in an iA poober once. It was really loud, but seemed peppy enough even with 5 people in it.
Why not a FiST?

I hate the minivan ergonomics of the fiesta. They're the same as the vibe.

Weird that you say the car was loud - every review says that it's quiet.

Yeah I understand that. The high chair seating wasn't for me. Actually eliminated that car solely based on the dinner table ergonomics

The iA was a lot louder than all the other poobers we had that weekend, and especially louder than our rental Escape.

[Johnny_P]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/1 ... re-1596928

Mustang GT gets a new "Performance Pack Level 2" which includes some cosmetic "upgrades" like a snow plow on the front, 3.73 torsen, stiffer sprangz and sways, and 305/30/R19 tars on ALL 4 CORNERS wrapped around impressive looking new rams.

[Davestr]

Would have to sell a gold coin for it

They're both loud tin cans with front weight bias and ox cart rear suspensions, but one has an actual engine, brakes, and handling ability. It also has a hatch

You know how the arguments go...
IMO a fist is too much money they are pretty expensive for what they are and since they are rare the prices don’t really go down

New at 15k$$
Seems some good discounts on FiST - https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchres ... 3&zc=30064