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D Griff wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:17 pm I feel like I'm a glutton for punishment but I have the wants for this https://www.ebay.com/itm/294018134798
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The guys is making an ENORMOUS amount of generalized representations about the car that there is no way he has a factual basis for making. He's owned if for two years, but "it's been enthusiast owned its entire life."
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D Griff wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:17 pm I feel like I'm a glutton for punishment but I have the wants for this https://www.ebay.com/itm/294018134798
Wow ... 180k miles on a glass motor and an interior to match.
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max225 wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:56 pm
D Griff wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:17 pm I feel like I'm a glutton for punishment but I have the wants for this https://www.ebay.com/itm/294018134798
Wow ... 180k miles on a glass motor and an interior to match.
A level of masochism unmatched in forum history.
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Desertbreh wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:13 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:56 pm

Wow ... 180k miles on a glass motor and an interior to match.
A level of masochism unmatched in forum history.
My 968 had nearly 200k on it when I sold it. After heavily tracking it. :iono:
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Apex wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:24 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:13 pm

A level of masochism unmatched in forum history.
My 968 had nearly 200k on it when I sold it. After heavily tracking it. :iono:
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Man something like this for $30K sure makes a 10 year old M3... less tempting.
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Apex wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:24 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:13 pm

A level of masochism unmatched in forum history.
My 968 had nearly 200k on it when I sold it. After heavily tracking it. :iono:
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Not everything has to be minty fresh :iono:

I am not a diaper in the garage guy, more a go out and beat the shit out of it and put it away wet guy. It seems like any E90 requires a decent chunk of change up front for maintenance, could be an interesting proposition to buy a cheap one that is still (IMO for the miles) in decent condition, invest the few thousand dollars into getting it up to snuff, and then driving it NFG.

I'm sure I'm :wrong:
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D Griff wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:03 am
Man something like this for $30K sure makes a 10 year old M3... less tempting.
I don’t think it’ll be 30, that’s a 40-45k vehicle
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D Griff wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:10 am
Apex wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:24 pm

My 968 had nearly 200k on it when I sold it. After heavily tracking it. :iono:
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Not everything has to be minty fresh :iono:

I am not a diaper in the garage guy, more a go out and beat the shit out of it and put it away wet guy. It seems like any E90 requires a decent chunk of change up front for maintenance, could be an interesting proposition to buy a cheap one that is still (IMO for the miles) in decent condition, invest the few thousand dollars into getting it up to snuff, and then driving it NFG.

I'm sure I'm :wrong:
Maybe? But from what I can tell of E90/92 M3s, they have a few weak points (rod bearings, throttle actuators, cooling system, suspension bushings), but once they’re fixed you’re good to go for quite awhile. Either get one cheap enough to budget for the repairs on your end or buy one that already has at least the rod bearings done so you don’t have to worry about it and I’d think those are cars that can run out to 150k without that much trouble.
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D Griff wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:10 am
Apex wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:24 pm

My 968 had nearly 200k on it when I sold it. After heavily tracking it. :iono:
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Not everything has to be minty fresh :iono:

I am not a diaper in the garage guy, more a go out and beat the shit out of it and put it away wet guy. It seems like any E90 requires a decent chunk of change up front for maintenance, could be an interesting proposition to buy a cheap one that is still (IMO for the miles) in decent condition, invest the few thousand dollars into getting it up to snuff, and then driving it NFG.

I'm sure I'm :wrong:
You can get one with 1/3 of the miles for 20-24k. It seems like a better way to go.

Think of bmws’ life bar going from 100% at 0 miles to 0% at 200k. That car is really close to the end. There is no way around it ... 180k miles is a lot of miles on anything... especially an m car
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D Griff wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:10 am
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My 968 had nearly 200k on it when I sold it. After heavily tracking it. :iono:
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Not everything has to be minty fresh :iono:

I am not a diaper in the garage guy, more a go out and beat the shit out of it and put it away wet guy. It seems like any E90 requires a decent chunk of change up front for maintenance, could be an interesting proposition to buy a cheap one that is still (IMO for the miles) in decent condition, invest the few thousand dollars into getting it up to snuff, and then driving it NFG.

I'm sure I'm :wrong:
We’re clearly both :wrong: :lol:

I put some money into it for sure, but I managed while I was in college making wayyyyy less than I do now.
Just a datapoint from real world experience. Clearly :fakenews: :lol:
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I remember driving in my uncle's 924 (a far reach from a 968 I know), but it seemed well built and nothing about it was complicated. I argue that a M thing built in the mid 2000s is way more high strung. So how much does all this rod bearing, cooling :bs: cost to replace on top of the basics like rotors/calipers/pads/clutch? If it nearly doubles the buy in price then the car doesn't hold a candle to the all mighty C5.

Personal inflection if/when I buy a fun car again: I realize that :mahtroy: is right, it isn't really worth me dicking around with old car things if the cost of upkeep + depreciation is more then the cost of upkeep + depreciation on a car that costs twice as much.

TL;DR - It might be worth spending twice as much for a nice track toy that hardly depreciates then it is to buy a beater car that needs a lot of $$/work.
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D Griff wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:10 am

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Not everything has to be minty fresh :iono:

I am not a diaper in the garage guy, more a go out and beat the shit out of it and put it away wet guy. It seems like any E90 requires a decent chunk of change up front for maintenance, could be an interesting proposition to buy a cheap one that is still (IMO for the miles) in decent condition, invest the few thousand dollars into getting it up to snuff, and then driving it NFG.

I'm sure I'm :wrong:
We’re clearly both :wrong: :lol:

I put some money into it for sure, but I managed while I was in college making wayyyyy less than I do now.
Just a datapoint from real world experience. Clearly :fakenews: :lol:
My 951 had 140k miles on it and I beat the hell out of it without issue. I also maintained it religiously and bought it from someone that did the same.

I'm with you guys, limiting the search to low mileage 100% minty fresh units REALLY limits opportunity. I wouldn't be scared away from a vehicle just because of miles, but I'd only consider if from an owner who clearly took good care of it. A lot of that can be discovered with a phone call, you can tell when someone is a :derp: or not with simple questions.
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There's plenty of well kept E46s out there with 150-220k. I have no doubts with maintenance an e90 m3 can crest 200k with no issues if you keep up with it. If you want to Dan I say fuck it. If you put 5-8k and know the car is completely sorted what do the miles matter? The worn drivers seat would bug me but seats are out there for sale as well.
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:06 am There's plenty of well kept E46s out there with 150-220k. I have no doubts with maintenance an e90 m3 can crest 200k with no issues if you keep up with it. If you want to Dan I say fuck it. If you put 5-8k and know the car is completely sorted what do the miles matter? The worn drivers seat would bug me but seats are out there for sale as well.
For 5-8k extra you can have one with 1/3 the the farts is the point. Why light money on fire for someone else’s abused car
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:06 am There's plenty of well kept E46s out there with 150-220k. I have no doubts with maintenance an e90 m3 can crest 200k with no issues if you keep up with it. If you want to Dan I say fuck it. If you put 5-8k and know the car is completely sorted what do the miles matter? The worn drivers seat would bug me but seats are out there for sale as well.
For 5-8k extra you can have one with 1/3 the the farts is the point. Why light money on fire for someone else’s abused car
And it might need 5-8k in deferred maintenance as well :iono:
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:30 am
max225 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:13 am

For 5-8k extra you can have one with 1/3 the the farts is the point. Why light money on fire for someone else’s abused car
And it might need 5-8k in deferred maintenance as well :iono:
At this age, maintenance is worth more than miles IMO.
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max225 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:13 am
CaleDeRoo wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:06 am There's plenty of well kept E46s out there with 150-220k. I have no doubts with maintenance an e90 m3 can crest 200k with no issues if you keep up with it. If you want to Dan I say fuck it. If you put 5-8k and know the car is completely sorted what do the miles matter? The worn drivers seat would bug me but seats are out there for sale as well.
For 5-8k extra you can have one with 1/3 the the farts is the point. Why light money on fire for someone else’s abused car
The thing is, either way you have to light an additional $5 K on fire for rod bearings, cooling system, fluids, bushings, etc.

Say I bought that car or a similar one, dropped a couple of weekends and $5K into it. I'm $20K all in, and, IMO I would trust it more mechanically than say an 80K mile car without the $5K in maintenance done. It's also already high miles, so :aintcare: about putting more on/the value. It will always be a $15K car or whatever. I also could take it on track and :aintcare: about the paintwork and such too much.

I think many of y'all don't really understand what tracking a car really looks like. My C5 looked basically mint until I started tracking it and the paint is now pretty shitty. You will spin off track into gravel, get hit by flying tire chunks, etc. It is not something you do in a nice car that you're trying to keep BaT spec.

The truth is if I really want to keep doing track stuff, I already have a superior vehicle for it versus anything else being discussed. I am just a bit ready for a new experience.
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D Griff wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:55 am
max225 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:13 am

For 5-8k extra you can have one with 1/3 the the farts is the point. Why light money on fire for someone else’s abused car
The thing is, either way you have to light an additional $5 K on fire for rod bearings, cooling system, fluids, bushings, etc.

Say I bought that car or a similar one, dropped a couple of weekends and $5K into it. I'm $20K all in, and, IMO I would trust it more mechanically than say an 80K mile car without the $5K in maintenance done. It's also already high miles, so :aintcare: about putting more on/the value. It will always be a $15K car or whatever. I also could take it on track and :aintcare: about the paintwork and such too much.

I think many of y'all don't really understand what tracking a car really looks like. My C5 looked basically mint until I started tracking it and the paint is now pretty shitty. You will spin off track into gravel, get hit by flying tire chunks, etc. It is not something you do in a nice car that you're trying to keep BaT spec.

The truth is if I really want to keep doing track stuff, I already have a superior vehicle for it versus anything else being discussed. I am just a bit ready for a new experience.
I hear you let me look for some others. It’s not like the 180k mile example is mint as far as maintenance goes. I have had more bmws than anyone else on this forum... (I am pretty sure). And let me tell you
These cars do not age like a C5. Which I have also had for a long time. Bmws get really really finicky with over 100k miles.
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max225 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:58 am
D Griff wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:55 am

The thing is, either way you have to light an additional $5 K on fire for rod bearings, cooling system, fluids, bushings, etc.

Say I bought that car or a similar one, dropped a couple of weekends and $5K into it. I'm $20K all in, and, IMO I would trust it more mechanically than say an 80K mile car without the $5K in maintenance done. It's also already high miles, so :aintcare: about putting more on/the value. It will always be a $15K car or whatever. I also could take it on track and :aintcare: about the paintwork and such too much.

I think many of y'all don't really understand what tracking a car really looks like. My C5 looked basically mint until I started tracking it and the paint is now pretty shitty. You will spin off track into gravel, get hit by flying tire chunks, etc. It is not something you do in a nice car that you're trying to keep BaT spec.

The truth is if I really want to keep doing track stuff, I already have a superior vehicle for it versus anything else being discussed. I am just a bit ready for a new experience.
I hear you let me look for some others. It’s not like the 180k mile example is mint as far as maintenance goes. I have had more bmws than anyone else on this forum... (I am pretty sure). And let me tell you
These cars do not age like a C5. Which I have also had for a long time. Bmws get really really finicky with over 100k miles.
You are likely right... it is probably not a great choice for me in general as I don't want to wrench every weekend. I don't mind spending one day every month or two, a weekend quarterly, etc. but there are other hobbies I enjoy.

It is just a :neat: car that I really like and does everything outside of the maintenance/reliability piece well.
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D Griff wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:04 am
max225 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:58 am

I hear you let me look for some others. It’s not like the 180k mile example is mint as far as maintenance goes. I have had more bmws than anyone else on this forum... (I am pretty sure). And let me tell you
These cars do not age like a C5. Which I have also had for a long time. Bmws get really really finicky with over 100k miles.
You are likely right... it is probably not a great choice for me in general as I don't want to wrench every weekend. I don't mind spending one day every month or two, a weekend quarterly, etc. but there are other hobbies I enjoy.

It is just a :neat: car that I really like and does everything outside of the maintenance/reliability piece well.
Griff, if you wanted I can put you in touch with my buddy who preps cars for track days/racing. Mostly BMWs and Porsches, if you wanted any insight into what these cars really need. They’re the on-site shop for Watkins Glen IIRC too.

But that’s real world, hands on experience; so not really worth much.
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D Griff wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:04 am

You are likely right... it is probably not a great choice for me in general as I don't want to wrench every weekend. I don't mind spending one day every month or two, a weekend quarterly, etc. but there are other hobbies I enjoy.

It is just a :neat: car that I really like and does everything outside of the maintenance/reliability piece well.
Griff, if you wanted I can put you in touch with my buddy who preps cars for track days/racing. Mostly BMWs and Porsches, if you wanted any insight into what these cars really need. They’re the on-site shop for Watkins Glen IIRC too.

But that’s real world, hands on experience; so not really worth much.
I'm just curious what they tend to do for maintenance (more than just accelerated routine items?) and what they've actually seen in terms of failures resulting from track activity. So much gets blown up on the internet, would be interesting to hear real feedback without feelings.
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