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I feel like getting a booster now could fuck you if Pfizer and Moderna come out with a round tailored to Omicron, but then you need to wait the full 6 months from your last dose to get that shot. They're talking 100 days to get the thing to production, I believe Moderna already has the DNA sequenced and the first run made.
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I know i said i wouldn't be back, but this is important shit and I do care for yall on a human level.

Ever hear of a little publication called the Lancet?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lane ... t?s=08#%20
A similar situation was described for the UK. Between week 39 and 42, a total of 100.160 COVID-19 cases were reported among citizens of 60 years or older. 89.821 occurred among the fully vaccinated (89.7%), 3.395 among the unvaccinated (3.4%) [[3]]. One week before, the COVID-19 case rate per 100.000 was higher among the subgroup of the vaccinated compared to the subgroup of the unvaccinated in all age groups of 30 years or more. In Israel a nosocomial (means originating in hospital-B) outbreak was reported involving 16 healthcare workers, 23 exposed patients and two family members. The source was a fully vaccinated COVID-19 patient. The vaccination rate was 96.2% among all exposed individuals (151 healthcare workers and 97 patients). Fourteen fully vaccinated patients became severely ill or died, the two unvaccinated patients developed mild disease [[4]].
This suggests, tho they don't say it, that the vaccine might be enhancing your chances of getting severe covid. IE ADE antibody dependent enhancement. Scary shit.
Many decision makers assume that the vaccinated can be excluded as a source of transmission. It appears to be grossly negligent to ignore the vaccinated population as a possible and relevant source of transmission when deciding about public health control measures.
IE, you should take your vaccine mandates and shove them right up your ass because now they don't even work.

[user not found] wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:28 pm Ah yes, another enlightened one proclaiming that masks are harmful. Seriously? Just seriously. Listen to yourself.

If masks were truly harmful, we wouldn't see them used in medical facilities to prevent the spread of disease. But hey, I guess doctors and infectious disease specialists are just a bunch of self-aggrandizing clowns that know nothing and do things for no reason at all. Please, tell me more about your expertise in medical science.

Somehow, you've become caught in your own echo chamber of conservative "facts" and refuse to even consider anything contrary to whatever your "accredited" sources proclaim. Alex Berenson, as a source? Really?
Bruh, he's not an expert, he's just a defamed journalist that's been banned from twitter and writes captivating political fiction: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... an/618475/

I know that link will be immediately ignored, though - because it's an undisguised left-wing assault on your right-wing anti-vaccine platform.

Le sigh. You're not enlightened, you're just another conservative :caspian: who digs into the internet to find contrarian info and believes wholly in it instead of balancing both sides.

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lets see...
we have a straw man
we have an appeal to authority
Good olde Ad Hominem. Dont like Alex? Fine. Go check HIS sources. It's all right there in the data.
Followed up by good old appeal to authority!
Then we present a False Dilemma
Then we close with another appearance of Ad Hominem directed at me.

That's almost one logical fallacy per sentence.
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coogles wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:08 pm I feel like getting a booster now could fuck you if Pfizer and Moderna come out with a round tailored to Omicron, but then you need to wait the full 6 months from your last dose to get that shot. They're talking 100 days to get the thing to production, I believe Moderna already has the DNA sequenced and the first run made.
I tried to get an appointment for a booster, and they're all a month out in my area. At that point, might as well just wait for a new version.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:31 am
coogles wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:08 pm I feel like getting a booster now could fuck you if Pfizer and Moderna come out with a round tailored to Omicron, but then you need to wait the full 6 months from your last dose to get that shot. They're talking 100 days to get the thing to production, I believe Moderna already has the DNA sequenced and the first run made.
I tried to get an appointment for a booster, and they're all a month out in my area. At that point, might as well just wait for a new version.
Wow.

in early November, I checked all the pharmacies within 3-4 miles of me - Walgreens, Osco, CVS, (forgot to check Walmart) and they all had multiple appointments available 3 to 7 days out, several time slots per day. Went with CVS because they had an opening the Saturday morning that I wanted. Made the appointment on the Wednesday before. I suppose it's good in a way that your area is a month out. Must mean your neighbors are mostly opting to get it. I wonder if the Omicron news spurred on some of that. :iono:
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wap wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:20 am
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I tried to get an appointment for a booster, and they're all a month out in my area. At that point, might as well just wait for a new version.
Wow.

in early November, I checked all the pharmacies within 3-4 miles of me - Walgreens, Osco, CVS, (forgot to check Walmart) and they all had multiple appointments available 3 to 7 days out, several time slots per day. Went with CVS because they had an opening the Saturday morning that I wanted. Made the appointment on the Wednesday before. I suppose it's good in a way that your area is a month out. Must mean your neighbors are mostly opting to get it. I wonder if the Omicron news spurred on some of that. :iono:
Yea, I was surprised. I checked CVS, Rite Aid, Walgreens, and Meijer (where I got my first shots), and all didn't have anything until January. BUT Michigan is leading the country (again) in cases, and where I live has pretty low vax rates in general, so it's possible that people have decided to change that?

I also wonder if my age pushes me back. :ohwell:
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Yesterday we had a retirement party for our receptionist who :gtfo: after 22 years. She's 70 YO so it was past time. :lol:
Anyway, we had a catered lunch brought in for the whole building, office and plant workers. Tables were set up in the warehouse so we could all eat in the same area. We have an 89.7% vax rate company-wide and at the table I sat at we all got the booster so we were mostly all mask-less. It was nice to feel "normal".
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Detroit wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:25 am
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Wow.

in early November, I checked all the pharmacies within 3-4 miles of me - Walgreens, Osco, CVS, (forgot to check Walmart) and they all had multiple appointments available 3 to 7 days out, several time slots per day. Went with CVS because they had an opening the Saturday morning that I wanted. Made the appointment on the Wednesday before. I suppose it's good in a way that your area is a month out. Must mean your neighbors are mostly opting to get it. I wonder if the Omicron news spurred on some of that. :iono:
Yea, I was surprised. BUT Michigan is leading the country (again) in cases, and where I live has pretty low vax rates in general, so it's possible that people have decided to change that?

I also wonder if my age pushes me back. :ohwell:
:iono: Everyone over 18 is now eligible so I would think not, but who knows, but I could see them prioritizing the over 60 YO's. When I got mine I was eligible because I was an "essential" worker, being in manufacturing.
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wap wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:20 am
Detroit wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:31 am
I tried to get an appointment for a booster, and they're all a month out in my area. At that point, might as well just wait for a new version.
Wow.

in early November, I checked all the pharmacies within 3-4 miles of me - Walgreens, Osco, CVS, (forgot to check Walmart) and they all had multiple appointments available 3 to 7 days out, several time slots per day. Went with CVS because they had an opening the Saturday morning that I wanted. Made the appointment on the Wednesday before. I suppose it's good in a way that your area is a month out. Must mean your neighbors are mostly opting to get it. I wonder if the Omicron news spurred on some of that. :iono:
Similar here, I really wasn't sure what the eligibility rules are but was easily able to get an appointment to get the booster and flu shot within 72 hours. We've never really had many shortages with tests/vaccines here compared to much of the country :doe: , I guess the perks of being in a reddish state :lolol:
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wap wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:20 am

Wow.

in early November, I checked all the pharmacies within 3-4 miles of me - Walgreens, Osco, CVS, (forgot to check Walmart) and they all had multiple appointments available 3 to 7 days out, several time slots per day. Went with CVS because they had an opening the Saturday morning that I wanted. Made the appointment on the Wednesday before. I suppose it's good in a way that your area is a month out. Must mean your neighbors are mostly opting to get it. I wonder if the Omicron news spurred on some of that. :iono:
Similar here, I really wasn't sure what the eligibility rules are but was easily able to get an appointment to get the booster and flu shot within 72 hours. We've never really had many shortages with tests/vaccines here compared to much of the country :doe: , I guess the perks of being in a reddish state :lolol:
It's red AF where I live, so I was pretty surprised to see that boosters are a month out for me. I was able to schedule my first shots faster/easier.
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Found out my Anti Vaxx buddy is also doing invermectin :mindblown: He seems to have pulled through nearly completely at this point.
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max225 wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:20 pm Found out my Anti Vaxx buddy is also doing invermectin :mindblown: He seems to have pulled through nearly completely at this point.
Is he using livestock stuff or something prescribed by a doctor?
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Detroit wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:04 pm
max225 wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:20 pm Found out my Anti Vaxx buddy is also doing invermectin :mindblown: He seems to have pulled through nearly completely at this point.
Is he using livestock stuff or something prescribed by a doctor?
Human grade stuff that he got through some gray market stuff. Doctors here are too focused on vaxxing.

Just talked to him 30 min ago and his sig other is not faring as well as him and she is under the JJ shot that she got in august. She’s going to try the invermectin now as well


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Human grade stuff that he got through some gray market stuff. Doctors here are too focused on vaxxing.

Just talked to him 30 min ago and his sig other is not faring as well as him and she is under the JJ shot that she got in august. She’s going to try the invermectin now as well


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...and they've exhausted other, uh... avenues of treatment?

This seems awfully desperate.
There is no treatment. They are taking vitamins and OTC cold/flue stuff. Monoclonals are not available to peasants.
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...and they've exhausted other, uh... avenues of treatment?

This seems awfully desperate.
There is no treatment. They are taking vitamins and OTC cold/flue stuff. Monoclonals are not available to peasants.
Right, I'm not aware of any other "treatments".
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There is no treatment. They are taking vitamins and OTC cold/flue stuff. Monoclonals are not available to peasants.
Right, I'm not aware of any other "treatments".
We have treatments if you catch it early. I forget their name. I will follow up.
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Desertbreh wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:28 pm
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Right, I'm not aware of any other "treatments".
We have treatments if you catch it early. I forget their name. I will follow up.
It the monoclonal antibodies. They work. I know people that got them and felt better in hours after treatment.
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We have treatments if you catch it early. I forget their name. I will follow up.
It the monoclonal antibodies. They work. I know people that got them and felt better in hours after treatment.
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Do you guys like the American Heart Association as a source?

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... pl_1.10712



Twitter is censoring the AHA. What else you think they have been censoring?

Good luck with your increased risk of Coronary disease if you took mRNA.

how bout this from the UK
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1466 ... 71842.html
Hope your kids have strong hearts. from a disease that poses less risk to them than *checks notes* drowning and car crashes.
AGE INFECTION SURVIVAL RATE
0-19 99.9973%
20-29 99.986%
30-39 99.969%
40-49 99.918%
50-59 99.73%
60-69 99.41%

My little olde signature is proving to be more true every day.
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Big Brain Bradley wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:25 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:28 pm

We have treatments if you catch it early. I forget their name. I will follow up.
It the monoclonal antibodies. They work. I know people that got them and felt better in hours after treatment.
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We've been religious with taking vitamin supplements (a daily cocktail of 5-10 pills that we rotate depending on season and people interaction) since Mar 2020. Haven't had as much as a sniffle since then.

A healthy well-cared for immune system is pretty damned powerful.
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Detroit wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:37 pm
Big Brain Bradley wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:25 pm

It the monoclonal antibodies. They work. I know people that got them and felt better in hours after treatment.
:notbad:

We've been religious with taking vitamin supplements (a daily cocktail of 5-10 pills that we rotate depending on season and people interaction) since Mar 2020. Haven't had as much as a sniffle since then.

A healthy well-cared for immune system is pretty damned powerful.
I've been taking the same generic multi-vitamin for years and been going into work every day since the 'vid first hit and I haven't had anything close to a cold in that time, either. My office has strict mask roles that everyone adheres to. It's almost like masks actually work to minimize aerosol spread of viruses.
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Big Brain Bradley wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:34 pm Do you guys like the American Heart Association as a source?

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... pl_1.10712



Twitter is censoring the AHA. What else you think they have been censoring?

Good luck with your increased risk of Coronary disease if you took mRNA.

how bout this from the UK
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1466 ... 71842.html
Hope your kids have strong hearts. from a disease that poses less risk to them than *checks notes* drowning and car crashes.
AGE INFECTION SURVIVAL RATE
0-19 99.9973%
20-29 99.986%
30-39 99.969%
40-49 99.918%
50-59 99.73%
60-69 99.41%

My little olde signature is proving to be more true every day.
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I looked this up, honestly this post resonates with me. My first MRNA was serious shit. 8 days of elevated heart rate + BP, and it inspired me to go see my family doc. She identified it as abnormal, documented it as an adverse side effect, and sent me to a cardiologist. Thankfully the heart is in good shape according to an EKG. They will want me to go and do my second shot (leave no man, woman or child unvaxxed being the narrative. I really don't plan on taking my second shot. Saying this though, it'll slowly but surely ruin my life with mandates getting stricter.
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Tarspin wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:14 pm I looked this up, honestly this post resonates with me. My first MRNA was serious shit. 8 days of elevated heart rate + BP, and it inspired me to go see my family doc. She identified it as abnormal, documented it as an adverse side effect, and sent me to a cardiologist. Thankfully the heart is in good shape according to an EKG. They will want me to go and do my second shot (leave no man, woman or child unvaxxed being the narrative. I really don't plan on taking my second shot. Saying this though, it'll slowly but surely ruin my life with mandates getting stricter.
I thought your doctor advised you to not continue with another dose?
Health Canada is the one who wants me to go ahead with the second dose, and were going to tell me to proceed with it, but the cardiologist says that she recommends I have my lungs looked at too (at least an x-ray she says). HC rep calls me after each appointment to get more info, and was pissed that the cardiologist prolonged the process further with her concerns. It's a weird vibe, I feel like the lady that calls me from HC sounds :pout: by the whole process. I'm not sure how it is in PA, but here if you're not vaxxed your life is a fucken misery thanks to restrictions. I'm so over this whole thing.
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Other things I learned visiting these germ pods is:
1.) heart swelling is definitely a very common side effect, Cardiologist sees it often, as does the EKG tech
2.) my family doc has seen some incredibly weird shit happening to people after getting vaxxed
3.) basically all of the heart issues resolve themselves over time with little observed damage
4.) VID patients do come in with heart damage after the fact

Pick your poison.
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Tarspin wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:45 pm Other things I learned visiting these germ pods is:
1.) heart swelling is definitely a very common side effect, Cardiologist sees it often, as does the EKG tech
2.) my family doc has seen some incredibly weird shit happening to people after getting vaxxed
3.) basically all of the heart issues resolve themselves over time with little observed damage
4.) VID patients do come in with heart damage after the fact

Pick your poison.
Yep no doubt having done other things that increase heart rates … the vaccine was likely the biggest/longest increaser of it for me…

And that’s a bit disturbing. Not to mention the swollen lymph nodes under the arms for 3-7 days after.
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Update on my vaxxed and unvaxxed couple…
Both have pretty much recovered and were out for a walk when I called them. She (the vaxxed one) started to do a lot better after day 2 with the horse tranq. And is swearing by it now as it was the only thing that “helped”

Just two data points for y’all only :fax: from my personal super close friend circle.
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