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Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:57 pm
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Correct just providing the forum with :fax: from personal life. Just found out my stepsister and her husband got it over the weekend.

They were the most paranoid people I knew of... I.E disinfected shit before it entered house etc. Got vaccinated with Pfizer (both of them) back in may. refused to attend family gatherings for over a year.

Fast forward to last weekend, he went to a Tennessee Titans game? Last weekend and came back sick... was sick for 1 day... then got over it and worked out on day 2.. she had sniffles and fever for 1 day and seems fine also. Seemed less severe for them than the flu.
I understand that this forum does not do the sportsball by and large, but in my mind one of the constant, largest reminders that a significant number of people in this country have decided the Covid threat is over are the hundred or so LARGE football stadiums in the U.S. both pro and college, most with over 50,000 people in them, standing shoulder to shoulder, nary a mask or vaccination card in sight. I don't think I would do that myself but literally millions of football fans are doing it every weekend.
But none of the numbers have supported the doom and gloom the media was predicting with these games :iono:
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MrH42 wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:12 pm
Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:57 pm

I understand that this forum does not do the sportsball by and large, but in my mind one of the constant, largest reminders that a significant number of people in this country have decided the Covid threat is over are the hundred or so LARGE football stadiums in the U.S. both pro and college, most with over 50,000 people in them, standing shoulder to shoulder, nary a mask or vaccination card in sight. I don't think I would do that myself but literally millions of football fans are doing it every weekend.
But none of the numbers have supported the doom and gloom the media was predicting with these games :iono:
For sure! Just saying 50 grander type events are still a no for me dawg.
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Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:01 pm
Tarspin wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:51 pm

I believe that here we are calling it "anecdotal" if it leans towards "tinfoil" or "anti-science".

They are trying to jab 5 - 11 yr old kids here, which I'm opposed to strongly. We really don't know what to make of our choices, but once they implement the policy it will be either jab one or both kids, or lose all extra-curricular activities. Fucken sucks man.
I know that I would personally NOT be interested in teaching a bunch of unvaccinated 5-11 year olds (by nature the biggest booger spreaders on the planet) live in concert. Not for ordinary wages anyway. I don't know about teacher's unions in Canuckistan but they exert a fair amount of pressure in the U.S. I think as a kindergarten teacher I would take a year off and sell insurance.
This is why you're a lawyer and I'm in the business of servicing robots. Fuck those snotty little bastards.

Nonetheless, if the teachers want to contribute to the industry safely they have access to vaccines for their own bloodstream, and can wait until more data is available before we jab ALL of our children and risk potential injuries.
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wap wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:26 pm
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I know that I would personally NOT be interested in teaching a bunch of unvaccinated 5-11 year olds (by nature the biggest booger spreaders on the planet) live in concert. Not for ordinary wages anyway. I don't know about teacher's unions in Canuckistan but they exert a fair amount of pressure in the U.S. I think as a kindergarten teacher I would take a year off and sell insurance.
Not to mention, kids are required to get a bunch of other vaccines before they can enter school:

Diphtheria
Tetanus
Pertussis
Polio
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Hepatitis B
Chicken Pox

Is it different in the Great White North?
Those are vector based vaccines and proven safe for that age category. Sorry old people, gotta wait. If you're scared, go get your vaccine and live happily ever after.
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I got my first dose of Pfizer yesterday, generally feeling ok. Headache, some chest discomfort, and clammy, but nothing to really worry about.
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Tarspin wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:48 pm I got my first dose of Pfizer yesterday, generally feeling ok. Headache, some chest discomfort, and clammy, but nothing to really worry about.
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Tarspin wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:44 pm
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Not to mention, kids are required to get a bunch of other vaccines before they can enter school:

Diphtheria
Tetanus
Pertussis
Polio
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Hepatitis B
Chicken Pox

Is it different in the Great White North?
Those are vector based vaccines and proven safe for that age category. Sorry old people, gotta wait. If you're scared, go get your vaccine and live happily ever after.
Take all of social media and politics out of it… do you think society are large reacted the same way when these tried and true vaccines were first mandated? Don’t you think it’s just normal human nature?
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Tarspin wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:48 pm I got my first dose of Pfizer yesterday, generally feeling ok. Headache, some chest discomfort, and clammy, but nothing to really worry about.
If you're a little woozy from the first, the 2nd will hit harder. Of the people I know that weren't phased for the first, the 2nd wasn't a big deal. But the few people I know that had a little bit of wonkyness with the first got hit a lot harder by the 2nd.
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razr390 wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:21 pm
Tarspin wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:44 pm

Those are vector based vaccines and proven safe for that age category. Sorry old people, gotta wait. If you're scared, go get your vaccine and live happily ever after.
Take all of social media and politics out of it… do you think society are large reacted the same way when these tried and true vaccines were first mandated? Don’t you think it’s just normal human nature?
Sure, and some of those formulas were modified to kill less people. And here we are, AZ and JJ are off the table, Moderna for kids off the table. You can be a hero and send your kids to the front line, but I'm good with taking my damn time with my health and the health of my kids.
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Acid666 wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:45 pm
Tarspin wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:48 pm I got my first dose of Pfizer yesterday, generally feeling ok. Headache, some chest discomfort, and clammy, but nothing to really worry about.
If you're a little woozy from the first, the 2nd will hit harder. Of the people I know that weren't phased for the first, the 2nd wasn't a big deal. But the few people I know that had a little bit of wonkyness with the first got hit a lot harder by the 2nd.
I probably had Covid, who knows.
I'm okay with the usual rhetoric, hoping it doesn't fuck with my heart, brain and lungs much.

Good heads up though, I'll plan to take a few days off when i go in for # 2.

Thanks man.
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Tarspin wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:23 pm
Acid666 wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:45 pm

If you're a little woozy from the first, the 2nd will hit harder. Of the people I know that weren't phased for the first, the 2nd wasn't a big deal. But the few people I know that had a little bit of wonkyness with the first got hit a lot harder by the 2nd.
I probably had Covid, who knows.
I'm okay with the usual rhetoric, hoping it doesn't fuck with my heart, brain and lungs much.

Good heads up though, I'll plan to take a few days off when i go in for # 2.

Thanks man.
Sounds like your first reaction was pretty minor overall. I bet your second one will be not that much worse. :like:

Also, the odds of covid fucking with your heart, brain, and lungs are many many many times higher than the vaccine.
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Tarspin wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:23 pm
Acid666 wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:45 pm

If you're a little woozy from the first, the 2nd will hit harder. Of the people I know that weren't phased for the first, the 2nd wasn't a big deal. But the few people I know that had a little bit of wonkyness with the first got hit a lot harder by the 2nd.
I probably had Covid, who knows.
I'm okay with the usual rhetoric, hoping it doesn't fuck with my heart, brain and lungs much.

Good heads up though, I'll plan to take a few days off when i go in for # 2.

Thanks man.
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wap wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:05 pm
Tarspin wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:23 pm

I probably had Covid, who knows.
I'm okay with the usual rhetoric, hoping it doesn't fuck with my heart, brain and lungs much.

Good heads up though, I'll plan to take a few days off when i go in for # 2.

Thanks man.
Sounds like your first reaction was pretty minor overall. I bet your second one will be not that much worse. :like:

Also, the odds of covid fucking with your heart, brain, and lungs are many many many times higher than the vaccine.
That's part of the big picture and the primary reason for me to get this vaccine.. Now the the :poop: vaccines are weeded and there is a clear favorite, it makes more sense to get the jab. There likely won't be a better version anytime soon. Earlier it made more sense for me to wait and see, since my chance of catching covid was drastically reduced thanks to our recent relocation, health, supplement intake, age, and family's lifestyle adjustments.

Still, I've never had a vaccine that puts pressure on my chest and heart, like this one, so there's more risk then advertised.
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Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:41 pm
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But none of the numbers have supported the doom and gloom the media was predicting with these games :iono:
For sure! Just saying 50 grander type events are still a no for me dawg.
Yeah, totally fair. Everyone has their own risk tolerance for this kind of stuff. If it makes you uncomfortable, by all means, stay home.

I feel much more comfortable going to something like that than any big indoor stuff. If the open air doesn't stop COVID at a football game, the alcohol I'm consuming will disinfect my gullet :D
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So, people are slated to start coming back on Monday in small groups. It was also mandated that people had to be vaccinated in order to return to the building.

Of course, some higher-up decided to hoot and holler about vaccinations and muh freedumz, so now it has been determined that one of the buildings in our campus of three connected buildings will be designated as an "unvaccinated" building. This means that the doors leading from that building to the other two buildings will have the badge readers turned off. So, people can travel from the vaccinated buildings into the unvaccinated building, but would have to go outside and enter through the front lobby in order to return to the vaccinated side. Our shipping and receiving is handled from this unvaccinated building, which means the mailroom will have to exit the building and go through the front lobby just to deliver packages every day. The janitorial staff will have to do the same just to clean the bathrooms and such. The labs are located in that building, so if someone has to go to the lab for any reason, they have to exit outside just to return to their desk. Is it raining? Too bad. March on outside because some jackhole has a high enough title to assert that his tantrums are top priority at the expense of everyone else's efficiency and convenience.
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MrH42 wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:47 am
Desertbreh wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:41 pm

For sure! Just saying 50 grander type events are still a no for me dawg.
Yeah, totally fair. Everyone has their own risk tolerance for this kind of stuff. If it makes you uncomfortable, by all means, stay home.

I feel much more comfortable going to something like that than any big indoor stuff. If the open air doesn't stop COVID at a football game, the alcohol I'm consuming will disinfect my gullet :D
I went to a Panthers game, NFG. I wore my mask when in line for beer and in the bathrooms, crowded semi-indoor areas like that. The seats are pretty darn open/outdoor, so I don't worry too much about it. Hopefully if I get COVID, it's mild after being vaccinated. I still take moderate precautions and follow the rules, but at a certain point, we can't put life on hold forever like Trudy said.

It is interesting to note that anecdotally, almost no one in my inner circle has gotten even a head cold in the past 1.5 years, I certainly haven't been sick in any capacity. I guess the social distancing and masks do work fairly well at reducing disease spread. All of that being said, I am an outgoing person and I'm willing to suffer through a cold once or twice a year to go to events like concerts and weddings, see friends and family, travel, etc.
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Huckleberry wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:32 pm So, people are slated to start coming back on Monday in small groups. It was also mandated that people had to be vaccinated in order to return to the building.

Of course, some higher-up decided to hoot and holler about vaccinations and muh freedumz, so now it has been determined that one of the buildings in our campus of three connected buildings will be designated as an "unvaccinated" building. This means that the doors leading from that building to the other two buildings will have the badge readers turned off. So, people can travel from the vaccinated buildings into the unvaccinated building, but would have to go outside and enter through the front lobby in order to return to the vaccinated side. Our shipping and receiving is handled from this unvaccinated building, which means the mailroom will have to exit the building and go through the front lobby just to deliver packages every day. The janitorial staff will have to do the same just to clean the bathrooms and such. The labs are located in that building, so if someone has to go to the lab for any reason, they have to exit outside just to return to their desk. Is it raining? Too bad. March on outside because some jackhole has a high enough title to assert that his tantrums are top priority at the expense of everyone else's efficiency and convenience.
This is one weird ass "solution"... wow.
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Huckleberry wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:32 pm So, people are slated to start coming back on Monday in small groups. It was also mandated that people had to be vaccinated in order to return to the building.

Of course, some higher-up decided to hoot and holler about vaccinations and muh freedumz, so now it has been determined that one of the buildings in our campus of three connected buildings will be designated as an "unvaccinated" building. This means that the doors leading from that building to the other two buildings will have the badge readers turned off. So, people can travel from the vaccinated buildings into the unvaccinated building, but would have to go outside and enter through the front lobby in order to return to the vaccinated side. Our shipping and receiving is handled from this unvaccinated building, which means the mailroom will have to exit the building and go through the front lobby just to deliver packages every day. The janitorial staff will have to do the same just to clean the bathrooms and such. The labs are located in that building, so if someone has to go to the lab for any reason, they have to exit outside just to return to their desk. Is it raining? Too bad. March on outside because some jackhole has a high enough title to assert that his tantrums are top priority at the expense of everyone else's efficiency and convenience.
Security guy here. Is this level of inconvenience on purpose? Otherwise badge readers can stay on and you can just modify access levels and their ability to interact with certain readers.

Example:
1. Vaccinated badge holders can access all general readers as normal
2. Unvaccinated workers cannot badge into readers leading into vaccinated buildings.

That does run into the problem of whether you’re allowed to hold a list of names with those who are unvaccinated so you can add that access level to them.

What I’m saying is you can make it less of a pain even though making it a pain seems like a morally right thing to do. :lol:
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Huckleberry wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:32 pm So, people are slated to start coming back on Monday in small groups. It was also mandated that people had to be vaccinated in order to return to the building.

Of course, some higher-up decided to hoot and holler about vaccinations and muh freedumz, so now it has been determined that one of the buildings in our campus of three connected buildings will be designated as an "unvaccinated" building. This means that the doors leading from that building to the other two buildings will have the badge readers turned off. So, people can travel from the vaccinated buildings into the unvaccinated building, but would have to go outside and enter through the front lobby in order to return to the vaccinated side. Our shipping and receiving is handled from this unvaccinated building, which means the mailroom will have to exit the building and go through the front lobby just to deliver packages every day. The janitorial staff will have to do the same just to clean the bathrooms and such. The labs are located in that building, so if someone has to go to the lab for any reason, they have to exit outside just to return to their desk. Is it raining? Too bad. March on outside because some jackhole has a high enough title to assert that his tantrums are top priority at the expense of everyone else's efficiency and convenience.
This is one weird ass "solution"... wow.
Seriously. And a lot of :butwhy: too.

I was in the office the last few days, it's still somewhat empty so people can space out ZFG. It also helps being in Manhattan where pretty much everyone is vaccinated. People only go to the office when there's a reason like a client meeting, brainstorming, problem solving, etc...things that actually help being in person. Otherwise, WFH. I don't get these return to office schemes at all. More complicated than necessary with :notsure: business results.
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razr390 wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:26 pm
Huckleberry wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:32 pm So, people are slated to start coming back on Monday in small groups. It was also mandated that people had to be vaccinated in order to return to the building.

Of course, some higher-up decided to hoot and holler about vaccinations and muh freedumz, so now it has been determined that one of the buildings in our campus of three connected buildings will be designated as an "unvaccinated" building. This means that the doors leading from that building to the other two buildings will have the badge readers turned off. So, people can travel from the vaccinated buildings into the unvaccinated building, but would have to go outside and enter through the front lobby in order to return to the vaccinated side. Our shipping and receiving is handled from this unvaccinated building, which means the mailroom will have to exit the building and go through the front lobby just to deliver packages every day. The janitorial staff will have to do the same just to clean the bathrooms and such. The labs are located in that building, so if someone has to go to the lab for any reason, they have to exit outside just to return to their desk. Is it raining? Too bad. March on outside because some jackhole has a high enough title to assert that his tantrums are top priority at the expense of everyone else's efficiency and convenience.
Security guy here. Is this level of inconvenience on purpose? Otherwise badge readers can stay on and you can just modify access levels and their ability to interact with certain readers.

Example:
1. Vaccinated badge holders can access all general readers as normal
2. Unvaccinated workers cannot badge into readers leading into vaccinated buildings.

That does run into the problem of whether you’re allowed to hold a list of names with those who are unvaccinated so you can add that access level to them.

What I’m saying is you can make it less of a pain even though making it a pain seems like a morally right thing to do. :lol:
That would require a security system that doesn't suck and/or a security team willing to figure it out.

As it turns out, everyone occupying the building in question is already vaccinated, so it's a moo point.

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I guess the mandate states vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 people? I think my company is afraid of massive resignations if they force vaccinations, so we're doing mandatory weekly testing, regardless of vaccination status. We had mandatory masking if you weren't vaccinated. I thought that would push a ton of employees over the edge to get vaccinated, but nope. There were a ton of operators in production that were wearing masks for their entire 12 hour shift.

Interesting. We've had free on-site testing for a long time now, but the participation has been pretty low. Let's hope it's not the tickle your brain test still.
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MrH42 wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:47 am I guess the mandate states vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 people? I think my company is afraid of massive resignations if they force vaccinations, so we're doing mandatory weekly testing, regardless of vaccination status. We had mandatory masking if you weren't vaccinated. I thought that would push a ton of employees over the edge to get vaccinated, but nope. There were a ton of operators in production that were wearing masks for their entire 12 hour shift.

Interesting. We've had free on-site testing for a long time now, but the participation has been pretty low. Let's hope it's not the tickle your brain test still.
I think that is the only type of test?

Wow, so mandatory testing even for the vaccinated... :disgust:

Our company seems to have basically given up. Remote4lyfe. NC still requires masks for any indoor public space as far as I know, so they don't require anyone in offices.
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This is one weird ass "solution"... wow.
Seriously. And a lot of :butwhy: too.

I was in the office the last few days, it's still somewhat empty so people can space out ZFG. It also helps being in Manhattan where pretty much everyone is vaccinated. People only go to the office when there's a reason like a client meeting, brainstorming, problem solving, etc...things that actually help being in person. Otherwise, WFH. I don't get these return to office schemes at all. More complicated than necessary with :notsure: business results.
Yes, there is a time and a place for sure... I think we're just still in the beginning of the long term societal changes from COVID. Companies are just trying to figure all of this shit out as they go.
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MrH42 wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:47 am I guess the mandate states vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 people? I think my company is afraid of massive resignations if they force vaccinations, so we're doing mandatory weekly testing, regardless of vaccination status. We had mandatory masking if you weren't vaccinated. I thought that would push a ton of employees over the edge to get vaccinated, but nope. There were a ton of operators in production that were wearing masks for their entire 12 hour shift.

Interesting. We've had free on-site testing for a long time now, but the participation has been pretty low. Let's hope it's not the tickle your brain test still.
The tests I've had done are only about 1" up the nostril, no brain tickling required.
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